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Yeah, but he didn't and neither did you.

That's the great thing about Bush. He never is responsible. He sent kids to die in a war that was based on false claims. Has he aplogized to the families of the dead soldiers? Apologized to the nation? Taken one bit of responsibilty? No.
So don't expect to hear him take any responsibility here either. But he sure as well will take the credit for running the investigation into what went wrong. And guess what, his investigation will find that he didn't do anything wrong.
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FDR wrote:

Did you get the point of the story at all?
His failure made what I did relevant.
The failures by Nagin, Blanco, and their predecessors made what Bush, Brown, etc relevant.
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Isn't that a good thing? Now we know what to expect, or not expect, when the next terrorist attack happens.
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The FEMA's role is to help in exactly this type of situation. Why is it the Mayors fault? He doesn't have the resources necessary to deliver water, food and etc. in a disaster of this size. He doesn't command thousands of troops, amphibious vehicles, helicopters. The police force was overwhelmed. The feds have the materials, men and machinery, yet they didn't get involved until 5+ days later.
Here's a great article on how the US helped the Neteherlands during their levee break disaster:
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-2/112589738912510.xml&coll=1
It took the US 36 hours to get in there and start helping. And this was all the way over there. You'd expect an even quicker response here.
It's obvious that FEMA doesn't work well. It needs an overhaul, plain and simple.
FEMA should be run by someone with experience, not a former horse show manager..
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Per FDR:

From this and other threads, it seems like one central issue is that FEMA cannot legally come in until the locals ask it to - and it sounds like the mayor and the governor did not ask FEMA to come in until fairly late in the game.... much too late.
OTOH, the FEMA guy's remarks on TV made him sound really bad..... and I think there is still a legitimate question of why federal government resources weren't staged immediately - so they could be on the ground within hours of getting the necessary formal requests.
OTOH, maybe the were staged.... but the story on the coming deployment of that hospital ship didn't sound like it...
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:27:27 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

FEMA has nothing *to* stage, other than bureaucrats. Their job is to facilitate reconstruction, not prevent destruction. The mayor and governor blew it big time (*useless* drowned busses, allowing parties to go on after the "mandatory" evacutation, etc.).
--
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I believe I saw the memo asking for assistance on the 28th, which was on that Sunday before landfall.

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This is Turtle.
Pete You have your guns pointed in the wrong direction.
FEMA : Rebuilds house, rebuild city businesses , and just rebuild what is damaged in the form of property.
Red Cross : sets up sheilter and feeds the people of a storm.
Federal Aide : Comes in and gets all the people out , Take control of the Law breakers, and sets up a system of everybody can get in and out as the FEMA or Red Cross wants to check on things that they need to see about the people and their problem. they just get the people out of the city with troops and provide law and order to the city.
FEMA does not have to be set to do anything real fast for they are just the rebuilders of the city and they will wait a month or two to get the city back where they can come look and adjust the cost of rebuilding the city. Right now FEMA has very little to do right now but Federal Aide [ troops / law control being set up ] is working now.
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TURTLE wrote:

Looks like you understand things better than Nagin and Blanco....want to run for office?
SueK
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TURTLE wrote: ....

.....
You might want to look at
http://www.fema.gov http://www.fema.gov/about/what.shtm
You have only a tiny fraction of what FEMA does as well as the Red Cross, Salvation Army, a myriad of church relief organizations, etc., etc., etc., ...
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Yeah, we know. You do know that people who address themselves in the third party are considered a bit ...pompous... right?
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Dave Hinz wrote:

Maybe...but he seems to have a pretty good grasp on how things _should_ have worked... Maybe you could overlook this little idiosyncracy? SueK
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I wasn't commenting on his points, just in his way of speaking of himself third-party. It distracts from his actual message which may be valid.
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Per Dave Hinz:

I had the same reaction. He seems to have his head screwed on pretty well. The salutation undermines some worthwhile content.
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Dave Hinz wrote:

You probably meant to say third person, but you would still be wrong as the post is written in the first person. So what can we call a wanna-be grammar cop who doesn't know grammar?
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You may want to read the charter for FEMA before you make those claims.

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This is Turtle.
That would be a good ideal for you to do.
Red cross , Federal Aide, national guard , and salvation Army takes care of the people in the first way to save their life and then FEMA comes in behind and rebuilds the city. FEMA has a Team of Doctors and Nurses of 25 people and nothing to speak of as to take care of a city the size of New Orleans. Now these doctors are also still on call to the Federal aid program and can go back and forth between the two Groups.
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This is Turtle.
FEMA is not allowed into a state without the Governor Permission and up till this week end they were not allowed in the State of louisiana by the Governor refussing aide and told them she would control everything that they do and for now she want $9 Million dollars and Stay out.
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FDR wrote:

They are supposed to assist local authorities after they are called in by those authorities. They cannot move until they are called in.
And, what the local authorities say in front of the cameras is not they way they get called in.
All, repeat ALL, disaster planning requires local authorities to be prepared to be on their own for at least three days. In this case, local authorities did not make use of the resources they already had on hand, including their own disaster plan.
Specifically regarding FEMA: They are like contractors. They show up after they are called.
"National Guard"? Under Governor Blanco's control. She did not send them in.
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The Gov. asked them for assistance on Sunday prior to the storm.

Where does it say that?

Can you tell me what things those are?

There were 1200 there on the ground in NO, but no more were available unti later in the week.
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