New scam?

[Oren]

I should have said Icon, instead of attachment...

The Icon is a 145 byte sig file at the end of his post. Because it contains HTML I won't see the sig unless I launch it in the browser.

[mm]

Interesting. My reader (Agent 1.93) did show the unusual sig separator but iddn't show the sig, even though it does show html sigs sometimes, or maybe only security sigs (are they the same as html)

I don't know if this is because I have an old reader (I don't especially think so) or because Agent has loads of settings, far more than any other news reader, and maybe I have settings set that just make his post look like any post, except for the sig.

I didn't get at all the message that started this discussion, but I looked at Jack's reply to me and looked at the raw message, and see no mention of orange or anything else unusual.

Yup.

[mm]

Yes, no one has a CMD key.

Dadioh, you're quoting a second post of Jack's I didn't get, in one thread. And I just re-retrieved my last 5000 posts, so it's not in there. Strange, since I can go 6 months now without missing a post in any thread I read.

[dadiOH]

Blame it on WebTV :)

[salty]

Many news servers will not propagate messages with HTML or images in them. That's another REALLY good reason to post in plain text ONLY. By posting in HTML, or including images, you guarantee that far fewer people will ever see your post.

[Jack]

"Many news servers will not propagate messages with HTML or images in them. That's another REALLY good reason to post in plain text ONLY. By posting in HTML, or including images, you guarantee that far fewer people will ever see your post."

Obviously I do not appreciate the problems of "news servers", I use WEBTV or Google.

To try to see the problem(s) I went and looked at my posts on my laptop (a little late I would agree).

The posts show the body in yellow on white background (not light yellow so it is readable, maybe orange?) with the Sig in black/white.

If I put the curser on the first word and holding the left mouse key, drag the curser to the bottom of the message, it becomes black/white.

So the light yellow is coming from the "news reader(s)". If they will not download my posts at all, no problem, I seem to get all the responses I can handle. LOL

[Steve B]

Obviously I do not appreciate the problems of "news servers", I use WEBTV or Google.

To try to see the problem(s) I went and looked at my posts on my laptop (a little late I would agree).

The posts show the body in yellow on white background (not light yellow so it is readable, maybe orange?) with the Sig in black/white.

If I put the curser on the first word and holding the left mouse key, drag the curser to the bottom of the message, it becomes black/white.

So the light yellow is coming from the "news reader(s)". If they will not download my posts at all, no problem, I seem to get all the responses I can handle. LOL

Yabbut, your ootsie cutesie approach is aggravating. It will cost you readers. Most who see colored text will killfile you. Did you ever think that some people may be color blind, and have great difficulty reading your important posts? I didn't think so. Many have their filters set so that ANY HTML that comes in is not displayed. Get with the program, Jack. Use plain text and get a real computer.

Steve

[Mark Lloyd]

[snip]

It's been a long time since I used that old version. The current version of Agent (v6) shows the word "signature" with a box around it. Enabling the HTML viewer adds fake shadows to the box. Note that the box DOES NOT contain the sig, only the word "signature".

The following is what I see in the raw message, as a signature:

--WebTV-Mail-4447-3732 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

--WebTV-Mail-4447-3732--

BTW, I started doing that when writing programs for the Commodore VIC-20. Examples in the manual often didn't work because the default background color had been changed.

[krw]

He won't. He's getting far more attention this way.

[Gary H]

Apparently, the above was quoted, but your program didn't mark it as quoted. Not a good thing.

Neither a good choice.

What newsreader?

That's text selection.

Unlikely, unless that programmer was making some really bad decisions.

There's a HTML tag in your posts. It says "orange". Perhaps that looks light yellow to some people. Anyway, that's a bad color combination and it's in your posts. It looks like some newsreaders (and not others) correct that condition. It wools be better to not specify colors, and let individual users choose. Few (if any) would choose yellow on white.

[dadiOH]

No, it becomes "selected" and the color of that is whatever the user has set up for selected items.

No, it is coming from your settings.

[Twayne]

If you are posting HERE, you are posting on a news server, regardless of the tool you use to get here. Try an actuall newsreader (or even OE) and you'll see how much faster and easier it is to read the posts. WebTV and Google, regardless of what YOU write in, send the message to this and any usenet group as TEXT, not HTML, with possible an attachment, which some groups will allow. Many groups will strip off attachments too, so - Plain Text is the way to go.

I don't know what you looked at, and you didn't say, but an HTML message on a plain text reader can be almost impossible to read. For example, an HTML post to a Plain Text newsreader will display thusly:

---------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey   How's it going?  I'v= e been wanting to call and emial, but the time is never right.  I fina= lly have a moment - and that's about it, a moment.   We are nto healthy, but w= ill get there.  Eric and Jane have bronchitis, Kamie has an ear infect= ion, I have a sinus infection, CJ is on steriods for his back, and Hilter i= s still on Chemo.  Nian is the only drug-free one in the house.  I"m hoping that it will settle down really so= on.   The landscaping starts on= Monday and they are starting with the fence.  I can't wait!  But= we have to remember to ease CJ into his freedom to run.  we don't wan= t a relapse right away.  The girls will like it since I wont have to be so eagle-eyed on them to go out back.   I replaced my Scion with = a Subaru Outback.  It has the CVT thing in it.  It's different, b= ut i think I like it!   Okay, gotta go.  Jan= e needs bed time routine things done.   Take care.   Vicki

--_000_E9FE96ED32E77046983D66BC3D1C578001FBCCAC0F49P1EC2EVS03H_--

------------- That's the body of an HTML e-mail my daughter sent me. Easy to read, isn't it? That's exactly what you'd get on the screen of some text only newsreaders, not all.

Not surprising; with an ALT-Shift-H I can temporarily switch to HTML view if I know the message is from a trusted source and look at it as it was intended. But if it's not from a trusted source then it's not worth switching modes to read because who knows what malware may lurk within it? It's not a good idea from a Security standpoint to read anything in 8-bit format because those can contain executable code that could run on your computer(malware).

I never killfile; it's not that hard to just skip a message if I don't want to read it. And besides, that doesn't stop the posts from coming up buried in threads either. In the long run it's of no value in 99% of the cases. Do enough plonks and you'll begin to see your displays slowing down as it goes thru the long list of names before it decides it can display each one. It takes a lot of plonks to noticeably slow you down, but I've seen machines with that problem.

Did you ever think that some people may be

That's too strong; there's not a lot wrong with webTV and the price is often right. Often though, another thing not useing Plain Text will get you is a lot of flames wasting your time just because you're too obstinate to adhere to the customs and concensus of the newsgroups. RFC 1855 and FYI 28 will explain it pretty well to anyone who wants to look them up.

HTH,

Twayne`

[Steve B]

I read: "I'm 56 years old, and a computer virgin."

[dadiOH]

:)

[mm]

Here's another post of yours, Jack, that I didn't get. I only see Steve's quoting of it. That makes 3 I know of, and looking at the whole thread, I've only gotten one of yours.

I read another ng with a woman who uses webtv and afaik, i get all her posts. I don't see them quoted when I never saw the original. But she doesn't have a sig. Maybe that's the difference.

That's this time. What if you want to talk about something that fewer people want to talk about. Or in a newsgroup with fewer readers. AHR is one of the busiest ng on Usenet.

People have suggested that woman get a real computer, but she is sick in some way and says she can't handle anymore technology. She may be the one who always posts in capitals and doesn't spell well, not I think because she can't spell but because her hands don't work well. For all those reasons, people just accept her posts the way they are. But I think they have no html.

[mm]

Jack wrote: [e-mail] I am not going to change anything for one jerk that can not hit Cmd/A But why do you use light yellow letters? I can't see it here but I see webpages in colors I can't read and I wonder what's wrong with the authors and I skip them. This may be my one chance to understand!

Since you ask I will try to respond.

When I send the post it is not in a light yellow color. I guess you call it dark yellow on black. Something in your reader makes it light yellow.

[Don Klipstein]

I don't see even considering the above how many women would post into Usenet more insufficiently than men would.

What I see is that posting *in any way* into Usenet has been done more by men than by women, all the way from before Usenet got assimilated (to whatever extent) into Internet to early 2010 when Usenet had already incurred a few (maybe several) years of loss of number of users to web forums more genteel than many Usenet users were/are.

- Don Klipstein ( [e-mail])

[mm]

That may well be true. It's true in my experience, but that just makes her an exception.

I odn't think they are more genteel. I think too few peole know about useent, which is better than any other such mediium in so many ways.

We should advertise it, so it's as well known as the web and mailing lists are.

[terry]

We don't use voltage; 12.57 volts or anything else to measure if a battery has remaining capacity. In fact voltage is a very poor way to determine the capacity of a battery. Especially lead/acid 'storage' batteries; although voltage may be of some use with the cheap small disposable 'primary' batteries (AA, C, D etc.) used for flashlights etc.

There are some voltage numbers that MIGHT be of some use after a disconnected battery has been left standing for 24 hours without charging or use. But to test voltage of the battery in a car that has just been driven (to the oil change location) a short while before probably meaningless.

We recently had to change the battery in a friend's Toyota that was 13 years old. Before and after changing the battery we tested the charging voltage which was and should be in the range of 13.8 to 14 volts (or little higher with some modern cars) AFTER STARTING AND WHILE THE ENGINE IS RUNNING.

The 8+ year old battery in my Nissan pickup is working fine, starts every time, in this cold climate. In fact 'hot' climates often worse on batteries.

And even if the battery HAD only 388 ampere hours capacity remaining of the original rating of 600, that's still 65% and if that is starting the car correctly no neeed IMO to change it! The battery will probably finally die after some 10 to 12 years; unless vehicle is being used as a taxi or delivery vehicle that requires frequent starting many times during each day.

[Jack]

"We don't use voltage; 12.57 volts or anything else to measure if a battery has remaining capacity. In fact voltage is a very poor way to determine the capacity of a battery. Especially lead/acid 'storage' batteries; although voltage may be of some use with the cheap small disposable 'primary' batteries (AA, C, D etc.) used for flashlights etc. There are some voltage numbers that MIGHT be of some use after a disconnected battery has been left standing for 24 hours without charging or use. But to test voltage of the battery in a car that has just been driven (to the oil change location) a short while before probably meaningless. We recently had to change the battery in a friend's Toyota that was 13 years old. Before and after changing the battery we tested the charging voltage which was and should be in the range of 13.8 to 14 volts (or little higher with some modern cars) AFTER STARTING AND WHILE THE ENGINE IS RUNNING. The 8+ year old battery in my Nissan pickup is working fine, starts every time, in this cold climate. In fact 'hot' climates often worse on batteries. And even if the battery HAD only 388 ampere hours capacity remaining of the original rating of 600, that's still 65% and if that is starting the car correctly no neeed IMO to change it! The battery will probably finally die after some 10 to 12 years; unless vehicle is being used as a taxi or delivery vehicle that requires frequent starting many times during each day."

WOW back to the subject! I think everone agrees it's a scam.

Thanks