- Nehmo - I knowingly make my address and phone number public. I do business from that location, and I even have the address in some of my advertisements. I live in a commercial area, in the center of downtown Kansas City, Kansas, as you must already know.
- Ermalina -
- Nehmo - I don't know where you come from, but it's considered extremely impolite, in fact, hostile, to post somebody's primary e-address in a newsgroup. If I, myself, decide to post it on a webpage, that's a different matter. E-address harvesters pay much more attention to the newsgroups than webpages. If you wanted to post an e-address of mine, why didn't you simply use the one I provided for newsgroups, snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com ? It's with every one of my posts.
- Ermalina -
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- Nehmo - I have written much more than that on dogs and their treatment. I actively find homes for abandoned pets, and I use the web to do so. You have a problem with that?
- Ermalina -
- Nehmo - I thank you for reposting one of my pages (that one is outdated, BTW). But what exactly is your point? It's not as though my family's story is secret.
- Ermalina -
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- Nehmo - I'm familiar with the activities of DCF in Florida, and I expressed my disapproval. I didn't detail the point in this thread because it was too far from the subject. In any case, my views about DCF and similar agencies are public.
It's not an ad hominem. It's curiosity. I'm not arguing "Nehmo has x personal characteristic, therefore what he writes is y". But I have made some observations.
Because your blaming a common complaint like one against early-hour dog barking on a drug is not only illogical, your continuing to harp on it is unusual. But it's illogical whether or not you have any particular fixation - it doesn't really matter here. But it's that you persist (and dont' really respond to the logical point) that tells me there's a fixation.
815 Ann Ave. Kansas City, Kansas 66101 Phone: 816-668-8581 e-mail addresses: snipped-for-privacy@kc.rr.com snipped-for-privacy@kc.rr.com
If so, I suggest you keep your quack diagnoses of strangers' sleep "disorders" and prescription medications to yourself. No doubt you have enough "disorders" and drugs, not to mention "dogs," of your own to keep your busy little mind occupied.
Again, here's that webpage of which you're so proud. Be sure to "update" it; an eager world waits with bated breath . . . I'm sure. ;-)
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Hi, I'm Susan.
I had a perfect baby boy 22 months ago at Kansas University (KU) Hospital in Kansas City, Kansas. I named him Blaze. I was so happy, but I also became sick. Much of the placenta remained inside of me, and I became weak and weaker (a month later I almost died). Soon after Blaze's birth, the Missouri Department of Social Services, Division of Family Services (DFS) took our baby. They took him from the hospital before we could bring him home. They said it was only temporary. They said it didn't look as if I could care for a newborn, and Nehmo, my husband, would be occupied caring for me. The official reason for taking Blaze was that he was "drug exposed." I had been taking legally prescribed methadone for 19 years, and KU itself gave me a dose four hours prior to the delivery. (As it was expected, it showed up in Blaze's system.)
There were no illegal drugs of any kind in Blaze's or my system, and nobody contends that there were.
In the beginning we believed the DFS workers' assurances that keeping Blaze in a foster house was temporary, and we thought cooperating with DFS was appropriate. We didn't realize what was happening, and the social workers seemed nice.
Blaze is now almost two years old, and the social workers only seemed nice. The DFS workers, particularly Traci Beck and Julie Eubanks, have lied and cheated repeatedly. Their purpose is to steal our baby. They can't be trusted whatsoever, and they see their job in life as to take as many babies as they can from whomever they can. They are particularly interested in our baby.
It's been very hard on us, and Nehmo is still fighting, but I can't participate anymore. Five months ago I (with planning) became pregnant again. I didn't want DFS to know, but they somehow found out. The DFS "psychologist," Jane Davis, during sessions, kept badgering me on the question: "Tell me if you're pregnant," she asked again and again. I decided I had to leave the state to keep them from taking our next baby.
I didn't see that I had any choice.
I Love my baby Blaze.
Susan
Blaze Law Put The Family Back Together! Methadone in Pregnancy DFS's Orginal Reason for Taking Blaze
- Nehmo - I sign every post with my name. It's a unique name. I just said I was responsible for those pages (one, my wife authored). Where is your confusion?
- Ermalina -
- Nehmo - I just explained the discourtesy and hostility of posting in a NG someone's e-address. If you want to deliberately sabotage my inbox there are more efficient ways that wouldn't make you look so immature.
- Ermalina -
- Nehmo - Karen publicly talks about her difficulty sleeping in news:alt.support.sleep-disorder , but I never used that term "sleep disorder" nor did I refer to the concept in another way. I referred to her Klonopin usage and the irritability it causes. I personally don't like the word "disorder" because DSM IV calssifications cause abuse of the term.
I'm perfectly willing to discuss anything *I* said. Please keep your quotes legitimate.
- Ermalina - [Keep your opinions about] prescription medications to yourself.
- Nehmo - Why? Klonopin (and other benzo) usage is a very, very, serious porblem - both for those who use the drug and the people they interact with.
- Nehmo - I'm posting to a thread; that's not harping; that's how it works.
In her previous posts, she says she has a history of insomnia.
In her original post of this thread she makes critical, gossipy comments about the neighbor and mentions the dog too. It could even have a different subject line: "I hate my neighbor."
She hasn't even spoke to her neighbor about this problem, and I wonder if she's ever spoken to her at all.
She is a benzo addict. Benzo addicts are irritable. Even the addicts themselves will admit that. As I suggested before, ask in news:alt.drugs.hard . See what the users say about it.
She works at the worst government organization I can think of.
Ergo: The dog is not the problem. It's just an excuse to launch a complaint.
- Banty -
- Nehmo - So if I respond to your post, it means I'm fixated?
- Nehmo -
- Banty -
- Nehmo - You're implying that I'm hiding the basis, my personal knowledge and experiences, for my position. But in fact, in my first post in this thread, I told one story about a serious injury caused by someone on Klonopin. I could tell more stories too.
Ok, I got the point. I would never voluntarily hand over confidential information. I guess it was a couple of years ago when I didn't know better. My mistake!!!
I only take 1 mg Klonopin every night, probably less than that most nights. That's 1 mg Klonopin or less every day. That's not much at all. That's not why the barking bothers me. It's because I hear it & can't get back to sleep.
Which is the classic ad-hominem argument and fallacy. Yours is pretty amazing - not only is it the sleeping drug you discount her posts for, it's where she works! (Karen - nuts like this is one of many good reasons to keep your info private.)
Before I abandon my probably quixotic effort to reason with you, let me see if I can get one - just one little eetsy beetsy - straight answer from you?
Do you think that anybody should be bothered by a dog barking when they're sleeping?
How about if it's at a time when *many* people are sleeping?
- Nehmo - Ad hominem is when you attack the person making the argument rather than the merits of the argument.
- Banty -
- Nehmo - Benzos aren't really sleeping drugs. They are mislabeled as minor tranquilizers too. What they really are, are recreational intoxicants. True, they reduce anxiety temporarily and are anti-spasmodic, but people take them to get high.
Klonopin is the strongest of the benzos. It's so strong, that the effective dose often isn't large enough to show up in a urine test. And this is why many Klonopin-caused auto wrecks often aren't correctly attributed to it. And that's only part of the problem.
- Banty -
- Nehmo - Actually, most people who work for the children's part of DCF have unlisted numbers. If I worked there, I sure wouldn't tell anyone.
One time I had a DFS (contract) supervisor, Susan Fillmore, scream at me because I took a picture with a flash in the same room as she was in. (I didn't actually take a picture of her or even in her direction.) She was afraid she might be in the background or something. This is how guilty and scared these people are.
- Banty -
- Nehmo - I, personally, would never complain about a dog bark, but my own dogs are trained with the "quiet" command. The strays that we take in turn out to be naturally quiet. They've learned to keep a low profile.
In a residential neighborhood, a dog owner should keep their dog's barking reasonable.
Now, if you lived in a residential neighborhood, would you want a crabby DCF Klonopin-addict neighbor next door? Would you want them driving a car on the same street as you?
I would rather have almost anybody else as a neighbor.
And why doesn't Karen's husband want to get involved? Maybe he understands what's going on.
- Nehmo - I hate to rewrite your whole post just to figure out what you're saying, but do you mean that you suspect you would not like me for a neighbor because my dogs would bark and you would confront me and I would give you a non-enjoyable response?
If that's what you're saying, none of that's happened. You're accusing me of hypothetical fiction. Then again, you might be saying something else. You're welcome to clarify.
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