Neither. The 18V are a bit too hefty for my use, the 9.6 not enough at
times. I have a 14.4 Ryobi (junk) and a 15.6 Panasonic. The weight to
power ratio of the Panasonic is much better, has a better balance in use.
As much of a freak I am about Milwaukee, their cordless stuff is pricey,
and have never heard it is that much better
Bought the Ryobi set and 4 spare batteries for not much more than just
the milwaukee drill
I have 4 corded Milwaukee tools and will keep them forever
My 12V DeWalt drill (actually the batteries, drill was fine) died after 6
I just couldnt see replacing the 2 Batts @ $ 50.00 each when I could get
the whole kit for $ 100.00 (later on sale for $ 89) Grrr.
I looked into a DeWalt 18V and found a "OneOnly" last years model (new) one
at HD for $ 199.00
I was walking to the cashier with it when I passed the DW replacement
battery display and saw they were $ 60.00 EACH !
$ 120.00 for Two batteries when they die.. So,
I got a RYOBI 18V Drill alone (Model P220 3 spd w/hammer drill function)
2 Batts $ 39.00 (for both)
Charger $ 19.97
Total less than $ 110.00 .....less than JUST the batteries for the DW 18.
BTW, I found a DW 12V on sale for $ 89 with a $ 30 rebate so my cost
(finally) for the replacement DW12 Batts ended up being $ 59 for two and I
have a SPARE 12V drill and charger. Ahhh, the games they play..
There's a reason for that. The Ryobi is not nearly as robust
as top end drills, and I very much doubt that those batteries have
equivalent capacities or lifetimes.
I understand that Ryobi periodically changes their battery interfacing,
so, if you have to buy more, you may find that the new ones won't fit.
If you look around, you can find "aftermarket" Dewalt compatible
batteries for much less than the Dewalt price. As I recall, I
found one place selling 1.7AH 12V dewalt-compatibles for about
$20 apiece, and they had higher capacity ones (at a higher price).
Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
I just replaced My 8yo 14.4 Milwaukee(still works)with a new one.The
old has seen lots of use and abuse on many jobs.
I think the best advantage Dewalt has is they make a job radio with
built-in charger,otherwise for the general price range I think
Milwaukee has the edge.My faith in the brand started in the mid 80s
when a Milw drywall gun(corded) outlasted the others We tried by far.
I do'nt buy exclusively Milw tools but when I want something to
perform daily for years it's the brand I try to go with.
Milwaukee .... Never ever had a problem with any of their products...
I also own some Dewalt products ...and for the most part have been
happy with them but when it comes to drlls I would go Milwaukee..
Just my opinion...
Black & Decker, Dewalt, & Porter Cable are owned by the same company &
use many interchangeable parts.
Milwalkee, Ryobi, AEG, DreBo, Homelite and Hoover are all products of
the same Chinese company. That should tell you where the Milwalkee
reputation is headed.
I know what you're implying but believe you're wrong. TTI, the parent
of Milwaukee, etc., isn't really "Chinese" in the sense you're using
it. It is actually based in Hong Kong which is night and day
difference from mainland China despite the UK lease having reverted
political control over the island. The two founders of TTI are a
German and a Hong Kong native educated in UK (Warwick, no less), both
with advanced degrees in engineering and/or business.
Milwaukee itself is still headquartered in Wisconsin and is also their
R&D, manufacturing support, marketing, sales and information systems.
Production facilities are in Greenwood, Jackson and Kosciusko,
Mississippi; Blytheville, Arkansas and Matamoros, Mexico, for US
products. For the products marketed directly in Europe or Asia/
Australia they also build the same products to the same standards
overseas for those markets.
Ryobi pretty much also remains what it always was/is/is intended to be
-- an entry-level low-priced mass-market-targeted product line. To
confuse it and Milwaukee simply because of common ownership is
TTI did begin (in 1985) w/ production facilities in China and began
manufacturing products for Sears in '87, then parlayed that into
acquiring the Ryobi deal w/ HD, then the Ridgid licensing arrangement,
ultimately working their way into the high-end market by the purchase
of AEG and Milwaukee. I see nothing in their operation that indicates
anything other than a desire to continue to succeed as an overall
company and to continue to compete in all market niches. To do that
will require maintaining the brand loyalty the acquired brands have
achieved and that is a stated corporate mission.
(I happen to know most of this from research I did when considering
whether investment was good idea or not a couple of years ago...)
I know what you're saying, and I hope you're right. But there's been
too many cases to show that things go the other way. For example
Black & Decker buying Dewalt, then using B&D parts in Dewalt products.
Their quality has never been the same. And Delta buying Porter Cable
and ruining the line for many years. I just shudder when I think of
Milwalkee & Ryobi as sister companies under the same upper management,
especially when cost cutting time comes.
I don't know much of the history of B&D/DeWalt, but Delta didn't buy
Rockwell bought both Delta and Porter Cable clear back in the 60s and
sold all the tool manufacturing including Delta and P-C to Pentair in
about 1980. What happened in 2000 or thereabouts was the merging of
corporate offices of companies that have actually had consolidated
ownership for over 40 years.
I didn't notice this previously...perhaps you're thinking of the
period in roughly the 70s or so when a line of P-C branded consumer-
grade tools were introduced that were, in fact, pretty much what one
would expect from the name? Actually, that was during the Rockwell
ownership period and had a goodly amount to do w/ the decision to rid
themselves of the whole tool manufacturing portion of their business
resulting in the sale to Pentair.
All of those links result in errors for me. I can see the specs for
the Panasonic drill, but not the Milwaukee or Dewalt. I see that the
Panasonic is using a NIMH battery pack, but I don't know about the
other two. I suspect that they might be NiCd.
I'm wondering if you might be comparing NiMH battery powered drills
with NiCd battery powered drills - that would be something of an
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