Microwaves next for federal efficiency standards

"Microwave ovens are the newest federal target after the government already weighed in on light bulbs, toilets, washing machines and other everyday items for Americans in a crusade against carbon emissions."
<http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new-microwave-regs-likened-taking-12-million-new-cars-road
Exactly how regulating microwaves will diminish CO2 emissions was not stated.
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On 6/6/2013 3:18 AM, HeyBub wrote:

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All they did was update the guidelines already in place. That's SOP. It is generally done every ten years for household appliances. The gov't's position is that as technological improvements over time provides means to reduce energy consumption, companies manufacturing household appliances should be motivated to use those improvements to produce more energy-efficient products.
The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic. With the microwave oven standard, the gov't decided that requiring manufacturers to use the revised test protocol for measuring standby power consumption would place a significant burden on the companies, so it agreed that they can continue to use the current testing protocol. The gov't also agreed to the manufacturers' request to exempt combination microwave ovens (convection/microwave, or conventional oven plus microwave) from the standby power guidelines.
The gov't energy efficiency guidelines for microwave ovens particularly focus on their energy consumption during their standby and off power modes. Improved standards means that microwave on your counter will add less to your monthly electric bill when it is just sitting there between uses.
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On Thursday, June 6, 2013 6:30:37 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

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“The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic.”
Then somebody needs a reality check because if I’m scared every time I op en the door of my refrigerator because it takes forever for the temperature to recover or have to either add more light fixtures or contend with less than half the light output of so called “energy saving” dinky bulbs or have to run my washing machine or dishwasher twice to get the results I use d to with my old machine or find that the reason the new TV that I bought l ooked so good in the store was because it was on the high output “demonst ration” setting and now if I watch it on that same setting I get a demons tration every time I change the channel or if those double pane “energy s aving” window glasses ever break either I have to pay ten times what I us ed to in order to replace it or replace the entire window or have to either pay a fortune on tools or repair because it looks like a tropical jungle u nder the hood of my vehicle because of “emission” or “power saving” plastic junk under there and all the while they calculate the CPI (consume r price index, rate of inflation) based on what I used to have but can’t find to buy anymore they can take their “improved standards” and shove them up their tight bungholes.
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On Thursday, June 6, 2013 6:30:37 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic.
Then somebody needs a reality check because if Im scared every time I open the door of my refrigerator because it takes forever for the temperature to recover or have to either add more light fixtures or contend with less than half the light output of so called energy saving dinky bulbs or have to run my washing machine or dishwasher twice to get the results I used to with my old machine or find that the reason the new TV that I bought looked so good in the store was because it was on the high output demonstration setting and now if I watch it on that same setting I get a demonstration every time I change the channel or if those double pane energy saving window glasses ever break either I have to pay ten times what I used to in order to replace it or replace the entire window or have to either pay a fortune on tools or repair because it looks like a tropical jungle under the hood of my vehicle because of emission or power saving plastic junk under there and all the while they calculate the CPI (consumer price index, rate of inflation) based on what I used to have but cant find to buy anymore they can take their improved standards and shove them up their tight bungholes.
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We had a place in the mountains that was 100% off grid (built ~ 20+ years back). Before we sold it we added a room. The choice was to pay the cost of additional off grid energy production or decrease the amount of energy we used. It was simply more economical to replace appliances and other energy consumption devices.
Now that's a circumstance specific solution but writ large in the general population having standards for the manufacture of appliances that are more energy efficient means less cost for the individual and society in general.
As to opening the fridge door if that's a real concern perhaps you should have purchased a cheast type fridge (less energy leaks out)
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On Thursday, June 6, 2013 10:35:34 AM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

open the door of my refrigerator because it takes forever for the temperatu re to recover or have to either add more light fixtures or contend with les s than half the light output of so called “energy saving” dinky bulbs o r have to run my washing machine or dishwasher twice to get the results I u sed to with my old machine or find that the reason the new TV that I bought looked so good in the store was because it was on the high output “demon stration” setting and now if I watch it on that same setting I get a demo nstration every time I change the channel or if those double pane “energy saving” window glasses ever break either I have to pay ten times what I used to in order to replace it or replace the entire window or have to eith er pay a fortune on tools or repair because it looks like a tropical jungle under the hood of my vehicle because of “emission” or “power saving ” plastic junk under there and all the while they calculate the CPI (cons umer price index, rate of inflation) based on what I used to have but can ’t find to buy anymore they can take their “improved standards” and s hove them up their tight bungholes.
I really don't think we'd be any better off if we'd kept things the way the y were in the 50's... I think we'd be paying out just as much $$$ but it wo uld ALL go to paying for electricity, natural gas, and gasoline. There'd be no affording Internet, smart phones, cable TV, video games, air conditioni ng... All that would still be the exclusive playground for the extremely ri ch.
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Moe DeLoughan wrote:

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"“That’s why we are proud to announce today that the Department of Energy has finalized new energy efficiency standards for microwaves, which will save consumers billions on their energy bills over the coming decades and prevent 38 million metric tons of carbon emissions".
I like the idea that it will save billions on my energy bill over the coming decades, if I live that long.

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as long as you are "consumers"
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As a cynical, cantankerous old man. I am predicting that the new microwave ovens will cost $100 more, will take twice as long to cook, and will have much smaller inner ovens, so you need to cook smaller portions. The price to electric savings will be about 1.5 times longer than the average use and life span of such microwave. Mexico and Canada will be immediate supply of old microwaves, and 3.5 gal per flush toilets which consumers turn out to prefer. . Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . .
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as long as you are "consumers"
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On Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:50:07 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:

e ovens will cost $100 more, will take twice as long to cook, and will hav e much smaller inner ovens, so you need to cook smaller portions. The price to electric savings will be about 1.5 times longer than the average use an d life span of such microwave. Mexico and Canada will be immediate supply o f old microwaves, and 3.5 gal per flush toilets which consumers turn out to prefer.

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On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:55:44 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Not needed today. The new models don't clog. We remodeled out office in 2008 and put in four new toilets. Not one clog. I put one in at home too and will do another one soon.
You are right about the originals, but in the past half dozen years they figured it out and make them work well.
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Moe DeLoughan wrote:

Giggle.
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On 06/06/2013 03:18 AM, HeyBub wrote:

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Note that the following is not known to be true. If might be:
Every microwave contains an important part called a L-thingy. There are two types. Type B uses a new manufacturing process that releases 85% less CO2, and decreases energy consumption by 18% during cooking. It will convert the entire oven into oxygen when disposed of. Type A works.
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It is absolutely true. I have smoked it many times.....
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Well, microwave ovens are cheap so you can always go buy a couple spares before they start producing more energy efficient ones. You can stockpile them right next to your stash of 100 watt incandescent bulbs.
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