As some of you may have heard, SW MI had a little storm a couple of
weeks ago. My back yard is a lot sunnier now, with 4 big trees down, and
another that will probably have to come down. Anyway, a 60-foot pine
totaled my shed. The same shed that the pine's twin brother landed on
after an ice storm 2 years ago, but I was able to blacksmith it back
into usability. Good thing I didn't replace it then. (Compared to a lot
of people around here, I got off lucky. All I lost were the shed, trees
and 3 days of power- house didn't even lose any shingles. Some
streets/roads/neighborhoods look like they got bombed.)
Anyway, the existing shed is the mid-grade Arrow 10x14, with the
horizontal siding and internal bracing. Big-box wants around $820 for
current version in same size, in a hideous faux woodgrain. Cheaper
beer-can version without internal bracing is around $530. I think I can
blacksmith the extra roof beams from the old one and reuse them, so I
don't have to pay $250 for the roof 'beef up' kit. Neither shed model
impresses me much. I'd stick build a wood one, but I'd have to lay and
anchor a course of block for a stem wall, since you don't put wood sills
directly on a slab. So, metal would be a lot less work, and I wouldn't
have to repaint it every five years.
Anybody got any brand and model recommendations around 10x14, tall
enough to stand up inside, with a door big enough to get wheelbarrows
and mowers through? Looking for as close to zero-upkeep as possible, and
able to take snow loads. I'm not a rich man, but I'm willing to pay a
little extra for quality. Something built like those wiring huts Ma Bell
and airports use, but bigger.
Pt got nothing to do with water resistance. It's rot resistant. Who
cares if it's wet. If it's not in contact with the ground it'll be
fine for longer than a metal shed will last. If you're really worried
run a strip of that new composite deck board as a base instead of the
pt. You can stick build a shed for not much more than the slightly
better than crap metal ones.
Has it got to be metal? In this area [middle-ish of NY] wooden
prebuilt 'Amish Sheds' are cheaper, stonger, and better looking than a
good quality metal shed. There are several outfits that deliver
them and roll them off right onto your prepped site.
I don't know how much the Amish really have to do with them- but the
guy whose lot I looked over the closest really does go to PA to pick
They come in a bunch of sizes and styles- this guy orders them & picks
them up in 2-3 weeks. [he's got a bunch on the site that are seriously
discounted- mistakes of some sort or another]
Do prebuilt wood ones come in 10x14? And does anyone sell them without
floors, which I don't need or want? (a wood floor inches above a larger
slab will always have dampness and insect problems.) And does anyone
make them out of real plywood any more? I'm not impressed with how OSB
holds up on non-heated, non-weather-sealed spaces.
Probably a moot point anyway- unless my neighbors are feeling real kind,
no road for a flatbed into my back yard without driving over septic
system. So that takes it down to precut or stick built, which are a LOT
more expensive than metal, from what I have seen.
On 6/14/2011 8:12 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Another reason for sticking with the same brand and size, I guess- it
makes it 'repair', not 'new construction', since I could use the
original well-tarnished and lagged-down base rails. :^/
Around here, people try to avoid permanent foundations, since that puts
it in a different tax class. I have an out- my slab is much bigger than
the shed, and has a fence around it. 'But that is a dog pen, not a shed
foundation! It was that way when I bought the place!' Not real worried-
inspection in this township is more theoretical than real, especially
for detached structures with no power to them.
I did look on the website for the local 'Amish shed' dealer here in SW
MI. They do have 10x14, but they have floors, and look like they are
skinned in OSB. And they START at double what the mid-range Arrows like
I have, price-wise.
On 6/14/2011 8:12 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Same here. You need to alert the taxman with a building permit if it is
> 100 square feet or on a permanent foundation.
Most popular around here are the so called "Amish sheds" because they
are built by folks in Lancaster county and trucked here.
I'd say it would be highly likely if tried it wouldn't get passed. I'm
thinking there's almost certainly another section that will limit height
to be less than that of the main building even if the footprint clause
doesn't state it for the tax purpose.
Good idea. I don't think Google Earth is continuous. If one could find the
schedule for the satellite, there might be windows of opportunity.
But they're not just looking for scabbed-in construction !!
My city, Houston, used satellite photos (not sure if they were Google) this
past month to determine how much of each bit of property was not, er, grass.
The city then levied a tax (fee) on the non-permeable part of the property
(i.e., the house, garage, driveway, sidewalk, etc.) for storm drainage
access. The fee is not inconsequential - in my case about $16/month or
$190/year. If I recall, the fee is $0.03xx / sq ft / year.
My town has received about 1.5" of rain in the last three months, roughly
equivalent to what the middle of the Sahara Desert gets (normal for Feb,
Mar, & Apr is better than ten inches). I can't see how the city needs storm
drainage improvements in this scenario.
I don't pay any particular tax on my shed either but all sheds in
Florida require a permit and they have to meet wind code.
Basically you can't even have one of those sheet metal or plastic
things anywhere on the peninsula. You might get away with it up there
in Baja Alabama.
On 6/17/2011 12:39 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Well, my shed dealt with the WIND (100+, they say) just fine. It was the
frigging tree that snapped off 12-15 feet up that did it in, when it
landed on it. And the trunk had to jump 10 feet sideways to do it,
hitting the same corner where the first pine tree did 2 years ago...
But yeah, I grok hurricane code/ wind zone ratings, and the reasons for
them. I own a house down in Lake Charles LA, which has many of the same
requirements FL does, but thankfully gets nailed a lot less often.
Once I do get around to putting up the new shed, I wonder what the
township would say if I built a roll cage around it? That fence is
getting pretty ratty looking anyway. A pergola made out of 3-inch pipe
on 24" centers would probably do it...
On 6/14/2011 12:47 PM, hr(bob) email@example.com wrote:
Not around here, unless you bought an extra-cost rider or something.
Damage to man-made structures only. Insurance actually did pay out an
absurdly high amount on the shed- enough to pay for all the tree
removals- but I have fingers crossed that I don't have another claim
anytime soon. This was my one freebie, apparently. Adjuster submitted
the claim without even telling me first- I thought he was just coming to
verify the house was still here.
Read all the replies and yours to date.
You just got to bite the bullet and do this right. Even mixing your own
mortar how hard is it to lay one course of block around the slab?
Stick frame the darn thing and cover it with vinyl or hardieBoard siding.
Spend $50 more and wrap the gables and fascia. Throw away you paint brush
and enjoy life.
Now that I have motivated you, what time is the cookout? I can bring some
beer if you furnish the steaks.
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