It's already illegal to shoot people. What more
law would have made a difference? Do gun laws
reduce violence in Wash DC, or NYC? (no...)
I suggest armed guards at schools, and
shall-issue CCW permits for any school
teacher who has passed a safety course.
I mean, if only one life could be saved!
In this case, armed teacher could have saved
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minor offenses, like what? jay walking? shop lifiting?
I think you're confusing cause and effect. Yes, NYC has
a low murder rate for a major city. But just a few miles
away, Newark has one of the highest murder rates in the
country. And NJ has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation. How
about Washington DC? They banned handguns for decades while still
having one of the highest
murder rates in the USA.. After the Supreme Court found
the ban unconstitutional and DC folks were allowed to buy
guns, the murder and crime rate dropped substantially.
At least it did for a year or two after the reversal, don't
know what happened after that. DC is still a mess.
But the bottom line is if you look fairly at the data,
it's hard to make a case that making laws tougher are
going to do anythiing. For every NYC there are more
Newarks and Camdens. Why? Because
criminals aren't going to obey the laws.
Of course with lax gun
We have very strict drug laws. That means there is no
cocaine, no heroin, in NYC, right? That people can't obtain
those despite not only tough laws, but 50 years of spending
mucho billions to stop it?
But stricter laws against unnecessary gun carries would be
Sure, ask cities like Newark and Camden. All the thugs
there, the gang bangers, all of them are already violating
strict laws against "unnecessary" gun carries? Why?
I guess because if you're gonna go blow away the
drug competition for example, the gun carry becomes
Now, who do you catch with these tough laws? Go see
what happens routinely in NYC. You have some guy
from TX who has obeyed every gun law in the book.
He's on his way to Maine to visit a friend and go hunting.
He walks into DFW airport with a gun in a case, takes
it to the counter, declares it and has it checked with his
luggage. Due to bad weather, the plane gets diverted to
JFK. There isn't another flight to Maine that night, he
has to spend a night in a hotel near the airport. He
retrieves his checked luggage, including the gun,
without even thinking about it. He takes a taxi to the
hotel, stays the night and returns the next morning.
He walks up to the counter at JFK, just like he did
at DFW, declares the gun and asks to have it checked
in. Instead he's arrested for illegal weapons possession
and off to jail he goes. And since NYC has those tough
mandatory laws, he has no out. After sitting in jail for
God knows how many months, he winds up sentenced to
the minimum of 3 1/2 years in state prison. Three and
a half years that must be actually served.
Because, after all, he's a real threat to society and the
judge has no discretion. That is what Bloomberg and
his gun laws that you seem to enjoy have brought us.
Meanwhile, the gang banger that wants a gun, gets a
From what I've heard in the last couple hours, apparently
that is what was done in CT. The guy was admitted into
the school by someone. After all, his mother was a teacher,
so that isn't so suprising. Want to come up with a new law
to fix that too?
You can't outlaw insanity. You might want to, but it's beyond
After the Colorado incident, I wondered aloud - to my brother, who would
personally take away every gun from every living person on earth if he
could - whether it's more terrible for 6 or 10 or 28 people to be killed
by the same person within a few minutes, than for that same number of
people to be killed in separate incidents over the course of a few days.
What I find socially unconscionable is the number of seriously
under-qualified drivers we license in this country, and turn loose on
the streets to commit mass murder.
There was no need for Mom to have assault rifle(s?) and handguns with
high capacity magazines. See where it got her?
To paraphrase others: The ease of obtaining firearms and the difficulty
in obtaining mental health care should be reversed.
There is no need for you to be posting here either. Yet here
you are, because it's your constitutional right and you
choose to do so. And again with the fetish about high capacity
magazines. The sure sign of someone who doesn't own a
gun or know the first thing about them.
Han, you live in NJ. You know what you have to go through
to buy one of those pistols that were used? Please tell us.
Now mental health care is easy to obtain. If you're on Medicaid,
you get it for free. Or you can walk into any emergency room
and tell them you're suicidal, that you hear voices and you'll
be seeing a psychiatrist within an hour. Tell us how soon
after starting the process to buy a pistol I will have it in your
state of NJ.....
I know people who have firearms, I believe they are not in their homes.
I have no need to go get a firearm. I believe that one of these days I
may take a beginner course in handling something, but not now. I am too
often (not that often) too impetuous and wouldn't want one in my home,
but knowledge of a firearm may be good.
I don't know the people who would be willing to sell me something
illegal, if that is what you mean.
You must move in some strange circles. Everyone I know
that has firearms has them in their home.
My points were:
A - You're telling us about why one weapon is different than
another, how you could ban say "assault rifles" and it would
have prevented this tragedy, etc and you, yourself have no
familiarity with them. You've apparently never fired one.
It would be like me telling a dentist about how to repair teeth.
B - You don't even understand the regulations already in
place in CT or NJ where you live. Again, I ask, what do
you have to go through to buy a pistol in those states?
How long does it typically take?
You seem to be pontificating on subjects that you admittedly know piss
all nothing about.
You dont' know what an "assault rifle" is.
You don't know what "firepower" it has.
You don't know where people keep guns.
You don't know your home state regs about guns.
In fact about all you seem to know is "Guns am bad!!"
To give you a start of an education on guns, the Bushmaster used in
the shootins is no more "powerful" than a standard hunting rifle of
similar caliber (do you even know what a "caliber" is?),
functions exactly the same way and the rate of fire is exactly the
same. There is one difference but it is very minor indeed and I'll
bet you can't spot it.
That might be the case in Europe, but Americans who own guns keep them in their
You've been living here long enough to have realized that by now, Han. Either
been paying attention, or you willfully turn a blind eye to reality.
Ah, now we reach the core of your objections to firearms: you can't trust
yourself with a gun,
thus NOBODY can be trusted with a gun.
That's not rational.
No, he meant that you should look at how long it takes to obtain a handgun
compare it to how long it takes to obtain mental health treatment.
That is the fact that he seems to be circling around but can't come and
And naturally since he can't trust himself with a gun, he sure can't trust
SO BAN THEM ALL to solve his paranoid distrust of others.
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