Low volume toilets

[Steve B]

I caught a sliver of a program this afternoon on HGTV (Home and Garden TV), where the lib was touting that the house for sale had a low volume toilet, using 1/6 the water of a regular toilet.

Immediately, I am in a dilemma, and enraged.

I am in a dilemma, because everything downstream now has less water to live on, and everything upstream is up to its gills in water. Where does all that extra water go, and what in the world does using less water to flush a toilet have to do with anything.

And then, I think of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Do you think either of them shop around when needing to take a dump and look for a low volume high efficiency toilet? I don't think so. And what if it is one of those bad ones that use two rolls of toilet paper, a can of air freshener, and an hour and a half just to clear the bathroom so the next person can go in there without a gas mask?

Or one of those logs that doesn't require a single square of toilet paper, but a coathanger to break apart so you can flush the toilet six times to get rid of it? My brother Randy was like that. Had a special coat hanger hanging there so he could break up the logs. Never used a square of toilet paper, though.

I mean, where is all this economy in flushing toilets going? I personally don't flush my toilet until morning, after using it several times during the night, along with SWMBO, as long as it's just #1. If it's a #2, flush away, and who cares who you wake up.

But all this falderal about saving water on flushes. What a bunch of bullcrap, especially when the ones at the top who are so full of it in the first place don't give one whit about how many gallons it takes to get THEIR stinky mess as far away from them as they want a bad speech.

Oh, Mildred, I had a wonderful day at work today. I foreclosed on two families, I repossessed three cars, and I saved six gallons of water using a low volume toilet. And how was YOUR day?

Oh, fine, honey. I beat the snot out of little Johnnie for using a curse word, I grounded Tessie for texting without permission, and I let all my waste build up until I thought it would backfire back out through the toilet, but luckily, I have the new Obama low volume toilet that allows for huge amounts of crap to be passed through a small opening with no problem.

I'm so proud. How about you? We saved 3.6 gallons of water today.

Steve

[Molly Brown]

The idea behind the low volume toilet is that you pay the plumber instead of the department of water who can jack up their prices as much as they want anyway since they=92re a monopoly. The plumber=92s wife has more money to spend on Chinese junk at Walmart which breaks down every year and has to be replaced and everybody is happy.

[benick]

The idea behind the low volume toilet is that you pay the plumber instead of the department of water who can jack up their prices as much as they want anyway since they?re a monopoly. The plumber?s wife has more money to spend on Chinese junk at Walmart which breaks down every year and has to be replaced and everybody is happy.

For homes in the desert it MAY make sense but most places it's just feel good LIBERAL MOON BAT BS..They are obsessed with their enviro religion and the worship of Gaia..Almost as obsessed as those who suffer with WDS (Wal-Mart Derangement Syndrome) and blame them for all the worlds ills and feel the need to bring them into every conversation , even about toilets.....Not to be confused with BDS(Bush Derangement Syndrome)...

[Don Klipstein]

And the complaints against low-flush toilets are degenerating into the above sort of stuff now that there are low-flush toilets that work better than toilets ever did prior to mandates for low-flush toilets.

- Don Klipstein ( [e-mail])

[HeyBub]

Two things to bear in mind:

1. Water can be created by burning Hydrogen in the presence of Oxygen. ALL other water is "used" water. The water you drink was probably toilet water sometime in the past.
2. Carrying on with your political concern, this just shows how conflicted our government is. As you rightly point out, there is agitation to use less water in the mandating of low-flow toilets.

Meanwhile, there is a companion effort in Washington to encourage us to eat more vegetables. Vegetables, in the main, generate "floaters" which require more flushes in low-flow toilets to accomplish the desired result.

This is not the only instance of two government agencies working to destroy the efforts of each other. We, meanwhile, don't know whether to crap or eat a carrot.

I, personally, prefer to return to a simpler time:

In days of old, when knights were bold, Before toilets were invented, They dumped their load, Beside the road, And went their way contented.

[jim]

Most of the time when I find a problem with the new lower flush it is old plumbing to blame , if it is an early version of low flush it is the humane to blame . 25 yrs in the trade so I know what I see.

[Frank]

I don't like government mandating every little thing we do but I have had to replace old toilets and have had no problems with the new ones. I guess they overcame design deficiencies of the original no flushers. I'm on well and septic so I don't care about price of water but it is nice not to have as much for the drain field to handle.

[willshak]

Steve B wrote the following:

Good points. :-) I'm not causing any problems upstream or downstream. I get my water directly from the ground, use it, and put it back in the ground in a different place. I have 3 old American Standard Plebe toilets. The 5 gallon type, I think. The only bad thing about my setup is that the 220 volt, 3/4 horsepower well pump has to replace the flushed water. This costs electricity Recently I installed one of the dual flush converter types. MJSI HYR270 HydroRight Drop-In Dual Flush Converter (usual disclaimer applies). I got mine through Amazon. The old style flusher handle on the front of the tank is replaced with a dual button flusher. The top button flushes about 2-3 gallons of the 5, which is enough for #1 The bottom button unloads the tank for #2. So far it works well. I'll be getting two more for the other toilets

[Frank McElrath]

I think you think too much.

Relax, take the Sunday paper, sit on the john, and take a nice, long relaxing crap.

Chill. Really.

[gfretwell]

The first swipe at low flow was a disaster. I have a kohler one piece Kohler we call the #1 toilet because any decent #2 will plug it but the new Toto, wall hanger we have would flush a small child.

I do agree with those who say we will run out of clean water long before we run out of oil. The North East does not understand that but if you live in the south or the west you can see your lakes running dry, static water levels in your wells dropping and some wells just stop producing altogether.

[benick]

Like I said it may be a good idea for some areas..But to MANDATE them for everybody is BS...Me saving a couple of gallons of water here in Maine that would other wise run into the Atlantic will do absolutely nothing to help those experiencing a drought or live in the desert...We will never run out of fresh water...Some areas may get more rain while others get less , but unless it stops raining world wide we will not run out...It doesn't go anywhere , it all stays here on the Earth...Unless aliens are stealing it...LOL...

[aemeijers]

Like Sam Kinison said about food in Africa- it isn't a matter of not enough, it is a matter of the people being in the wrong place. Every ecosystem has a carrying capacity. In a desert, the limit on that is usually set by water. Aquifers may fill at the rate of a fraction of an inch per year. Man, in his arrogance, plunks a city down there, and in less than a century, pretty much drains an aquifer that took 10,000 years to fill. Can you say Duh?.

No, I don't want my tax money spent to pipe the Great Lakes to the Desert Southwest. Start a reverse colonization of some of the old abandoned cities that- guess what?- have plenty of water.

[Stormin Mormon]

I would guess that common sense is lacking, the world around. Of course, you can't tell em that.

I had dinner with my parents tonight. I mentioned something. He tells of the volunteer group he's been with, for twenty yeasrs. The one time they had a big meeting, they kept notes of all the things that had to happen, in order to get a good meeting going. Call the hotel, and find out the names of the conference rooms, so they can put in the programs that the Management meeting is in the Ballroom, and the trades working meeting is in the Seneca room. That kind of thing. The management of the volunteer group changed, and the new managers totally, and adamantly REFUSE to even consider accepting or looking at what the old guys did.

Same mentality that runs out of aquifier.

[Stepfann King]

aemeijers wrote in news:TYadnfwvjpuFrSTWnZ2dnUVZ [e-mail]:

Piping water out of the Great Lakes will not happen. The states surrounding the Lakes and Canada won't allow it. If you don't like the water shortage in the southwest, don't live in the desert.

[Tony]

Nation wide, and world wide, water tables are receding all the time.

100 years ago they still dug most wells by hand, now they drill 800 feet and more. Cities do a lot of damage to the water tables letting most of the rainwater run off to rivers instead of into the ground. It's easy to run out of fresh water. It's happening all the time. We can't just keep drilling wells deeper and deeper.

[gfretwell]

That is a simplistic answer that ignores the fact that the Ogallala Aquifer under the midwest farming states is also dropping at an alarming rate. Where are you going to move all of those wheat and corn fields to when they ruin out of water?

[willshak]

That's why the Earth has temperature cycles, like the current Global Warming. Pretty soon you'll be up to your ass in fresh water. Of course, the depth will be different for some people, depending upon how high on their body their ass is located. :-)

[gfretwell]

The world will be up to it's ass in salt water, not fresh water. The ice shelves will melt into the ocean.

[hallerb]

ime. =EF=BF=BDWe

the obvious solution is desalinating ocean water and pump it inland to places like phoenix.

costly but its a solution.

[Don Klipstein]

My experience is that veggies don't make me generate floaters. Some gas-producing foods sometimes do when my digestion system is not used to them (such as if I eat a large quantity of beans after 2 weeks or hardly eating any).

The main blame I hear for floaters is unabsorbed fat content, usually from a combination of fat consumption and bile from the liver not doing its job.

Meanwhile, I have seen 1.6 gallon per flush toilets that flush as well as I have ever seen a toilet flush.

- Don Klipstein ( [e-mail])