How did the OP's statement about a supposed tax on light bulbs turn into
rants about everything but? Besides, you've been trolled. There has been
no national legislation passed with such a tax -- or even proposed in
On Sep 4, 3:52 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Heard something recently as part of an international radio broadcast
carried late at night by our local network that some European
countries are 'pulling back' on the requirement to to do away with non-
CF bulbs by mandating the use of CFLs.
Probably something of short term policy though; apparently the
availability of sufficient CF bulbs will be a problem.
Have previously read that Australia however is enacting or has enacted
legislation concerning the mandatory use of CF bulbs.
Personally am wondering about misplaced enthusiasm; everyone jumping
on the 'Use CFLs' bandwagon even though they have no concept of
wattage and electrical consumption versus longer term issues.
Our local municipality for example classifies dud CFLs as 'hazardous
waste', in the same category as those 48 inch fluorescent tubes and
instructs its trash collectors not to take them. Not that anyone would
notice one or two CFLs buried in bag of garbage! Also asked one of
the staff at the regional land fill who agreed that technically CFLs
and fluorescent tubes were hazardous and should treated accordingly;
but also commented that when a truck or dumpster comes in (every
minute or two) "We can't and don't monitor everything on it or in each
bag of garbage"!
But surely there a many other aspects of electrical use in our
societies that could be reviewed. Too many street lights, on all
night? Is it necessary to floodlight buildings at night? During WWII
for example it was amazing what savings/economies could effected.
Possibly CF lamps will have a one time effect/reduction in the amount
of electricity consumed, which will be hailed as a success and proof
that it's the right decision? But their manufacture may have heavier
than expected effects on the environment, due to the mercury they
contain, the electronic components used. At least they are supposed
to last some 5 times longer while using less electricity?
A neighbour has gone almost entirely CFL; installing them in locations
(at cost of several dollars each), where they will rarely be switched
on! For example a rarely used basement storeroom! And claims an
undefined saving in electricity; but this has been during recent
mainly non heating summer months. Be interesting once winter comes
since the neighbours have, like many homes here, electric heating
mainly generated by hydro.
It does makes sense to use CFLs in outdoor locations (although they
don't always work best in cold climates?) where the wasted heat will
not be recovered and some may be on for long periods overnight.
Conventional (incandescent) bulbs in this home contribute heat to our
residence which directly offsets the electric heating; so it is not
really wasted. Our bathroom is partially heated by the six 40 watt
conventional bulbs (cost 25 cents each) which are only switched on
when bathroom is in use. Most of the time the 500 watt baseboard
heater rarely comes on!
Have just installed a motion detector light using two 75 watt
conventional bulbs that come on virtually instantly, over where our
vehicle is parked. But it is of course a more complicated gadget and
will ultimately not last as long as a plain old switch while using
electricity for only the few minute periods it will be on. It comes on
maybe a couple of times a night, for about six-ten minutes if/when a
neighbour drops by.
Interesting discussion. I must fix that vintage oil lamp by installing
a new wick, just in case, by the way.
Yes dpb; that could be true.
In the evenings which of course are longer in summer so lights go on
later and evening is when it's almost always cool here.
So very rarely does anyone here have or use AC units (unless it is one
of those reverse cycle heat pumps for heating the house in winter) and
doubt even then that they would keep changing back and forth between
heating and cooling modes?
Last few days of August (which we consider late summer) it's been
around 15 degrees Celsius (Approx mid 60s Fahrenheit) during the day.
Some 5 C, degrees cooler at night; or approx low 50s. F. No trouble
Lights go on later in summer/fall and do contribute slightly to home
heat. In fact only today, Sept 6th, is it cool enough to even consider
switching on any of the heating thermostats. It' s now past midday and
haven't done so yet.
So we don't have any cooling load at all. Do occasionally run a
dehumidifier in part of basement during the summer to keep down
dampness due to warmer more humid outside air seeping in there.
Otherwise our almost completely in ground basement stays at around
55-60 deg F. most of the time, except very coldest and windiest
weather when it may occasionally dip to around 50 deg. F.
You have to think in terms of a climate that never gets warm enough
(or only very rarely for a few days a year at most) to need any
cooling. Only a short distance from the North Atlantic this is
considered a 'maritime' climate; heat and cold being modified by the
mass of the ocean.
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