On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 07:37:54 -0500, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Waking up, I'm learning that lesson right now!
I also learned the cloth kneepads I have are substandard to the rubber
ones, if only because they get so soaking wet that you're soaked through
to the pants leg.
I decided to raise the level the two inches ... so ... I have to form and
concrete the footing to raise it up. But I can't raise it too high up
because the sandstone 'tile' are uneven thicknesses.
I realize now that even thicknesses would have been a blessing when I
have to pour the concrete and then after it hardens, plop the mortar on
top to lay the sandstone 'tile'.
Though I will say-- for the price- a tub has advantages.
You can mix in it while the wheelbarrow is hauling 'stuff'.
The flat bottom is a plus when trying to get things mixed.
Easy to pick up and dump onto a site.
If your wheelbarrow is metal, the plastic tubs are a lot easier to
clean. [Just leave them at the end of the day- and beat them in the
morning to shake all the dried mortar off]
My mortar tub is also my soil mixing and potting tub-- and a
mini-barrow when I'm doing pavers.
Yesterday I was buying new tools, dust masks, gloves, kneepads. Then I
spent the day up to the game building forms I now know I need, and
snapping lines for the drainage run ... so I didn't mix any mortar.
So today is the mortar mixing.
Unfortunately, I goofed and bought the 5-dollar size - which - it turns
out - can't even mix up a single 60-pound bag of mortar. So, I'll end up
using the wheelbarrow I think.
On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:33:10 -0500, gfretwell wrote:
I had never thought of using a power tool to mix the 60# bags of mortar.
In the end, I switched to 1/2 mortar and 1/2 concrete (with the concrete
on the bottom layer) so I gave up on the buckets, especially after going
crazy mixing in a RECTANGULAR Costco detergent bucket (the corners were
So, I progressed from mixing:
a) In rectangular (new) Costco detergent buckets (corners are killers)
b) To tubular (old) Costco detergent buckets (too small)
c) To the wheelbarrow (which is just right for two bags of concrete/
In the end, I learned to soak the cleanup towels in the wheelbarrow, used
as a reservoir as shown in this picture:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 06:20:47 -0800, email@example.com wrote:
The entire job is already on a concrete footer (of unknown thickness),
so, I hope, it's sturdy!
Since the bag of concrete says "not to be used under 2 inches", I first
started using 100% mortar for the inch and a half I needed to raise the
shelf before laying the stone on top.
But, then I ran out of mortar (mistake #105 ... buy more mortar than you
need). So I had to resort to concrete.
What I did was lift up all the stones again (for the umpteenth time),
scrape away all the mortar down to the footer, and then dump the concrete
and then lay a thinner layer of mortar on top.
One other lesson I inadvertently learned was that the form gets in the
way of the wheelbarrow as shown in this picture here:
In the end, I should have planned this all out much better as I was
correcting mistakes made in planning more so than in laying it all out!
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 07:51:42 +0000 (UTC), Chuck Banshee
It looks like your fingers are pretty well burned, too.
As others have said, wheelbarrow. I do use a 5gal bucket to mix mortar to set
tile. It takes me too long to use 80# of the stuff.
Keep some mortar mix in reserve. You can add more (or water) to get the
consistency right. Also, measure everything. When you get the mix right,
you'll know what the right ratio is. You can scale from there to the size of
the mix needed. The ratio might change a little from day to day (or bag to
bag) but you'll have a good starting point.
Yes, and forms will allow you to calculate the quantity of mix you need
I don't usually have much more than I need, so just dump it where I clean the
tools. If it's washed out thoroughly it'll just be a little gravel in the
NOW I see what you're doing. It's making sense (I thought they were steps).
Be careful! CSI can use your toe prints through your boots. ;-)
They also cut away when the real work is done (by Mexicans).
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:38:53 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I changed from sneakers to boots ... just to throw them off the trail!
Here's my 'new' wardrobe:
- Rubber-palmed gloves (instead of bare hands & leather gloves)
- Rubber boots (instead of leather sneakers)
- Rubber knee pads (instead of cloth kneepads)
Four decades ago, I had a summer job when I was on break from college. I
got a job in a brick factory stacking brick after it cooled down enough
from being fired in the big kilns. Cloth gloves lasted a day so
the experienced guys had leather with a grit added rubber coating on
the palms and contact areas of the fingers. Those gloves lasted a month
at least. ^_^
On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 07:51:42 +0000 (UTC), Chuck Banshee
Hey, I asked my next door neighbor to help me lift a square of
sidewalk (not by the curb but smaller, near my front door) and he
showed up with a pair of pink rubbermaid gloves for washing dishes
with! I managed not to laugh and fortunately for his gloves, I had
leather gloves to lend him.
A fallacy, some law-enforcment guy on the radio tried to convince me
of. He said that those who had their prints removed ended up with
even more distinctive prints, because to start with, everyone else has
normal prints, and the very few who have "no prints" still have
Alll the videos are dry. Very few are literally wet.
On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:56:09 +0000, RobertPatrick wrote:
If I hadn't made so many mistakes, I guess I wouldn't have learned
Here, for example, is a picture of what happens if I pound too hard on a
water-soaked sandstone block trying to level it with its neighbors:
The blasted thing broke in half!
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