snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Oh, stuff will get rebuilt. Highrise office and residential towers will get cleaned up. I'm sure the beachfront real estate will get rebuilt as well. Not my cup of tea for my home, but there are plenty of people who want to. And some of those communities are very, very closeknit. Whether it makes investment sense is a different question ...
A LOW COST source of excellent inverters is discarded UPS units.
When UPS batteries die often people discard the entire thing. Smart people collect the discarded units, perhaps add a car battery or two, of jumper cables to attach to your car battery.
often these UPS units espically the costly ones provide nice clean power
Heck, it's the sheer size of the storm as you pointed out and the population density which is much greater than here in the Southeast. New York city has a population almost twice the population of my whole state and the Birmingham Metro Area consisting of a number of smaller communities is a bit over a million. It's impossible for folks from here in The Southeast to comprehend the number of people packed into such a small area as New York City. We're used to open spaces here and when a tornado hits it's more likely to tear up unpopulated spaces than to hit densely populated areas. I can't even imagine the number of people in other "bigger" cities of the world and how natural disasters would affect those people. O_o
TDD
I took a load of bad UPS batteries to a recycler last week and got 28 cents a pound for them. I had over 200lbs of the old sealed lead acid batteries. ^_^
TDD
It sounds like you are in the right box. You can just swap that one with a bigger one, add a receptacle on the load side of the disconnect switch and it sounds like you have the cord in the right place. Get one of those cord grip connectors to clean that up (like a romex connector with a rubber ring and a collar). They have them at the home store.
Just make sure that they are capable of recharging a low car battery. Some will poop out if forced to charge that hard.
Some UPS units run the output off the wall circuit until the power goes out..then switches over to the inverter "quickly"
Others run the inverter 24/7. Those are the ones you want.
Sometimes.."quickly" isnt quick enough.
Gunner
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I see 4 factors. Houses built before a flood or wind code existed, A storm that hit a huge area with a lot of people. A bunch of people who just did not believe it was going to happen to them. About a million trees that should have been trimmed or just cut down.
My only damage in Charley came from a 40 foot mango tree falling on my screen cage.. I rented a crane and 3 Latino gentlemen with chain saws and we did some tree trimming while the hort pickup was free. I filled up an 18 wheeler and a half.
The crane I rented was pretty popular in the neighborhood too. Everything was falling tree damage.
FPL got real aggressive about cleaning out the right of way too.
+1 Use the right battery in one of these UPS. If you get them on the net they are not that expensive. I had a source of "bad" ones and now I have 6 nice ones with fresh batteries. My wife and I were both typing on our PC,s watching TV. We had the power drop out and the only way we knew was the light in the kitchen went off.
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As whole neighbourhoods are demolished, raising the new houses would be no problem The lower floors have only garages and other non-habitable rooms. Boundary walls are substantially constructed and form flood barriers with watertight gates. Removable watertight barriers can be fitted to doorways
Buildlings are of masonry construction and the lower parts of walls and floors are tiled to swimming pool standards. There can be no basements. Electrical wiring is all run from the top down, there are no low level outlets The lower part of staircases is of concrete construction. Fixed furniture is (eg kitchen) of metal. There is high level easily accessible storage for high value items. Skirting/baseboards are plastic fixed with brass screws Arrangements are made to drain floodwater as it recedes.
Ships are made out of steel. Any immersion is only brief.
snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Thanks for that last piece of advice - I'd have used a regular romex connector, good to know there is a different one.
I'll be moving (rather, adding) a junction box since the 2 are weird ones and rather inaccessible behind piping from the new furnace.
snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
All correct. PSEG did a bit of tree trimming after Irene and the freak snowstorm, but you can't trim against some things, such as 3 ft diameter oaks toppling over.
They will rebuild on the barrier islands, just like they rebuilt (how many times) Galveston. The Jersey shore as it is called is like a religion for quite a few people, and a huge source of tourist dollars. IMNSHO, they all should be rebuilt on pilings of >10ft, so the sea can flow under in the next big storm, but I'm not sure they'll do that. Most people will forget that Sandy was a warning and a promise of more to come.
The fact that the NY/NJ/CT metro area is sort of densely populated (this to TDD) should not be an excuse for lax rules and regulations regarding buildings and infrastructure. On the contrary. Also, IMNSHO, mandatory evacuation orders should be accompanied by conserving first responders' efforts until it isn't dangerous for them anymore.
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That would work for the power outages that used to be common here (sort of), when you lose power for minutes to an hour or 2. We were among the first ones in Fair Lawn, NJ to get our power back (2/3 of town lost power). But that was after 99 hours. Today is day 8 and some in town still have no power. I don't think a UPS can last that long.
When my power went out, the first thing I did was go and shut down the UPS (the desktop feeding off it had been shut down in anticipation, but it was still feeding the router for my FiOS). Then I looked out, saw a neighbor on another circuit lose their power about 10 minutes later, and then kept watching, mesmerized, how one by one circuits failed as the wires came down in very bright flashes through the trees, all along the horizon. Some lights stayed on, from the few homes that didn't lose power.
Yes this was unprecedented. Much more severe than Irene, which 14 months ago was thought to have been unprecedented in its effects on electric systems, and then came the freak snow storm. Now Sandy. What next ... Tomorrow and Thursday we are expecting a bad nor'easter. I drove to Kingston NY to get a small generator. Don't like the honking noise machines they sell at HD or Lowes. Now I have to get oil, gas can and gas, after I vote for Obama. Forward, guys! (sorry, had to get that in).
harry wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@s14g2000vba.googlegroups.com:
Doesn't seem designed to withstand the real force of water. The only way to withstand that is to let it pass, Harry. Build on pilings, high enough, sturdy enough and deep enough to keep the building wayabove the wall of water that can come rushing in. The only thing that kept the Dutch flood of '53 from being way worse is that there were so many old dikes that slowed and held back the sea when the first line of defense was broken. Ther is absolutely nothing like that in the NY metro area.
harry wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
Come on harry, you're not that dense, are you? These houses are built on/in dunes. It always blows salt around there. Good thick steel will last a while, but sitting in the soil in salt water year round can't be good for them.
And get painted regularly.
Most beach property has a rather high water table.
How did you get out of my killfile?
Jim
In this are there are a lot of trailer homes and regulations for proper tie downs and such have come about due to losses during tornadoes and high winds which will toss them around like toys if they're unsecured. It ALWAYS takes a disaster for prudent measures to be put in place by law but the rule makers always seem to go overboard with regulations to show they're doing something and satisfy their lust for power over you. Rahm Emanuel, a famous P.L.L.C.F. once said something to that effect, "Never let a good crisis go to waste." I see the politicians in the area affected by the storm doing the typical behavior whenever the peasants run to the king and demand protection. Perhaps I'm just cynical but I've seen it all before. There will be a lot of wasted tax dollars, graft and corruption in the years/decades after The Sandy Disaster. O_o
TDD
That is a guy who was never a sailor.
Painting steel ships is an ongoing job and there is always someone chipping and painting something.
The real problem near the beach is salt air. Hot dipped galvanized is just a stop gap measure. You really need stainless or aluminum.
That is when you have to decide whether you want the tree or what it will fall on
snipped-for-privacy@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
There are steel framed buildings in New York are there not? There are steel piers in the UK more than a hundred years old.
Aside from that, American houses are shit. Steel would easily outlast them.
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