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Noon-Air writes:

Google "Richard Kinch" (no quotes):
http://www.google.com/search?q=richard+kinch
16,500 hits today.
9 of top 10 are about me.
Google "Richard J Kinch" (in double quotes), 1570 hits, all me.
For another one of my unusually successful pro-bono do-it-yourself enterprises (besides HVAC), Google "garage door spring" (no quotes). Mine is the second of the top ten, the one with actual advice vs yelling "no touchie!" or trying to sell something.
What do I do? Among other things, I spend a fair amount of time every day answering fan mail from fellow do-it-yourself'ers.
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Thats nice for your hobbies, now answer the questions....
Just exactly what is it that you do??? how much are you overpaid?? what does it cost you to pay for a roof over your head??? how much does it cost to feed your family??? how much does it cost for your medical and dental insurance?? how much do you pay in taxes?? how much does it cost to run and maintain your vehicles??? how much less can you get paid and still survive??
inquiring minds want to know.
one more question to add to the mix.... How many hours a week do *you* work before you demand to be paid overtime???
inquiring minds still want to know.

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Noon-Air writes:

"Inquiring" means "Google" nowadays. Apparently you haven't heard.
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This is Turtle.
2 things here.
first it is not possible to correctly trouble shoot a system over the internet.
Second I live in a State Louisiana who has the right to work laws and all you need is a epa card and a 1962 pinto station wagon and your a HVAC/R professional which can bid on $50,000.00 job right along side me. I've done this for 40 something years and been dealing with hacks all these years. Now these days they have to put up a $300K Contractor liability insurance policy to cover if they don't proform and that is about it. Contractor liability insurance compamys do a little policing of their own by not selling a policy to any person that does not have 5 years work experience in the field and atleast 2 years working on their own as a business owner. Yes you have to get out of state insurance to start or be let sub out under a regular hvac company like myself. Yes i have started a bunch of companys and is starting another one right now.
So you are being restricted not only by government but industry does not want the customer screwed and screwing up the jobs theirself. They know 90% of all home owners don't have any skill in the hvac or refrigeration field and wants them to call someone that will not screw it up for the next home owner to buy his screw up's. About 20% of my business comes from home owners fixing what should have been done differently years ago. Also another 30% of my business comes from hacks screwing up jobs and I come finish them. Most home owners will not sue the hack for a small $200.00 screw up and call me and say " Hey Turtle come fix this damn thing " .
Your story is not new and we hear it all the time when we are fixing screw up mostly.
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TURTLE wrote:

Wow, what a difference. I am in a right to work state, but we have a Registrar of Contractors and there is a law against non-contractors doing jobs in excess of $750. Under $750, you can do it as a "handyman." Yes, I work with a number of folks who do side jobs and installs that are way in excess of that.
Technically, and I know it has happened, if you are not a contractor and the customer has you do a job that exceeds that total, they can refuse to pay and file a complaint with the Registrar of Contractors, and you are screwed. No, I have not felt compelled to drop a dime on anyone yet, though I've been tempted.
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This is Turtle.
Outside city limits all bets are off and only in citys will you see the rules come into effect. Outside city limits you don't need licences, insurance, or Permitts but you can't do any commercial work at all. Commercial means any open to the public businesses or any public owned buildings. So Only residentiual only. The Only thing you have to have outside the city limits is a E.P.A. card. If you don't have a E.P.A. card --- they don't have to pay you when you go to collect for a hvac job -- Big or little. A bunch of hands get a education without a E.P.A. card. All the warehouses will not sell to nobody except the ones with a E.P.A. card for they know they will get hit with a bunch of none payments and go belly up on the warehouse. Even goodman will want to see a E.P.A. card before they sell to them. Here a warehouse can go to school just like the Rookies.
now if your in the city limits of any city the following applies ;
Small Contractors === Min- $300K Contractor Liability insurance. Small Contractors === Min- Small job $60K or less Electric / HVAC Licences , HVAC Operator City permitt / licences, E.P.A. II Card in Pocket , Recovery Machine on truck, and Have Workman's Comp if you employee more than 5 Employees. This will get you to do a $60k jobs or less / nothing over $250K worth of business a year , but nothing over that.
Large Contractor === Min. $2 Mil. Contractor Liability insurance, Have Louisiana State Commercial Electric Licences [ Adult size Lesstricity Licences ] , Workman's Comp on all employees, Read to and apply to Equal opportunity State Regulations, City of Doing business in City Operator permit, Pay city fee on jobs over $1K of $3.00 on every $1K of a job and city inspector will inspect it, E.P.A. Card with Universial on it, Recovery Machine on trucks, Any job over $60K must have job plain submitted to State Fire Marshal's Office, Have and Submitt sales tax payments every month not Quarterly, and last of all full fill all signed contractor and if not you go on probation for one. Second one you get hit with paying other contractor to finish the job. Third one you get all licences and operator permitts pulled for one year and you pay other contractor to full fill your contracts. that means you go belly up.
There is no Company that can do jobs of over $60K in Allen Parish / County except myself. They do have bigger ones who come in but they are at a disadvantage by not being located here. The Citys and Parish Offical have a thing now about wanting to hire companys that Hire and employee Allen Parish people and not out of Parish or out of state labor. I hire 100% all Allen Parish employees. I got the Adult Electric licences by Grandfathering in back in 1975 when the state adopted Licenced companys in the different fields. I sub out Electric work on the HVAC systems if big enough to the smaller electric service companys and they work under my licences.
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TURTLE writes:

All that regulation and red tape.
The homeowners and commercial customers asked for this? "Please Mr Politician, put all that in place because we want to be protected from shoddy workmanship and unprofessional hacks."
These hideous systems came from pols and the trade, helping themselves by making an industry into a gentlemen's invitation-only club.
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Sorry Kinch but when you grow up maybe you'll understand why you shouldn't let anyone do anything they want.
I wouldn't trust you to chew gum and pick your ass much less work on something involving electricity.
Your arguments of why you should be allowed to play with dynamite prove why others need to be protected from morons like you.
I'd be willing to bet your house is a death trap waiting on a trigger.
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wrote:

This is Turtle.
What Kinch's problem is he went down to the Dynamite Supply house and wanted 10 sticks and 3 fuse cap to get a stump out of his back yard and the fellow there told him to go away. Kinch told the fellow that he had a right to buy anything he wanted because he was a smart fellow. The fellow told Kinch that when he got a Dynamite licences to buy , come back. So now Kinch wants to work on HVAC systems and has hit a dead end here too. He does not know you work from the bottom / up and not from the top / down when working in a industry.
I like the part about a Written invitation to get into a field of work. He wants to by-pass the state & Federal regulations , schools on it, Permitting systems, and go direct to dynamiting stumps and working on 480 volt electrical systems. He must be a smart fellower !
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He has a Ph.D. Customer of mine liked to hire Ph.D's. Said they were the best dishwasher and bussboys you can get.
I think all that education makes Ph.D's feel entitled to live off the rest of us. Apparently adopting the socialist view is the chic thing to do. That seems to be how academia is contructed. I could be wrong as I only have a high school education. It must really piss Kinch off to lose an argument to us. I imagine he's used to that by now though.
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bill writes:

What argument? All I see is foul-mouthed insults, unworthy of reply.
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Hey! Watch your durty fricking mouth.
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TURTLE wrote:

The supply houses here ask that you have a contractor's license before they sell you units, but there are ways around that. They only require an E.P.A. card for buying refrigerant. At first they wanted one for units, then decided that you needed to be a contrctor to buy those.
Except at certain hardware stores, where you only need cash to buy a Goodman.
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This is Turtle.
Goodman calls the Hardware store a Service dealer and if you screw it up. You can sue the hardware store to come fix it here. They all here are gun shy for getting sued to death. Here if you install it yourself and the compressor burns up. you call the company you bought it from and tell them to come replace it for nothing. AZ. must have not figured this out yet , but when they do you will see a big change in who buys what. Even Home Cheap-0 and Low's stores make you sign a contract for a registered or unregistered hvac contractor to install it. The first time the Law Sueing starts you will see the end of customer selling stop.
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TURTLE wrote:

I am looking forward to that! Except that some are single-owner Ace Hardware stores.
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This is Turtle.
The right people have not got to them yet. If a customer buys it and a local hack screws it up like busting the valves with a drum of gas in it and the compressor locks up. The customer can call Ace hardware and say , Hey i need you to come change out my condenser unit compressor for me. I don't know about Az. Law but in Louisiana law says the last person with their Company letter head on the invoice is responciable for parts and labor for 1 year for defective equipment. The customer is the end buyer and Ace Hardware is the Dealer in the chain of buying the equipment becomes the dealer. Vicki just go buy one down at Ace and if you have trouble with it. Call Ace and tell them to come fix it. they will say No and then have it fixed and send the bill to Ace by way of the small claims court. Louisiana has a 1 year labor warrenty on every piece of equipment and you need to check Az. out on how long the labor warrenty is in Az. . It will be the warrenty given by any dealer in your state if they don't come fix it the first year. The local Ace Mom and pop store is in for a surprise if anyone figures it out. Mom and Pop becomes the dealer that sold it and the excuse of I sold it but i did not install it , does not work.
Now you see why Low's and Home Cheap-0 is getting dealer to install their stuff because they want a dealer to look at to go fix it under warranty. Mom and Pop have not been to school like Home Depot and Low's has. If this was not true, Low's and other would sell them to anybody who walk through the door and never require a dealer to install them. If one of their dealers or a dealer of their liking don't install it. You don't get a warrenty and will sign a disclaimer before you get it. Now there is another one on this. That Disclaimer is just about as good as toilet paper if you bring them into court. In Louisiana Disclaimer don't work on customers for they don't know about what they are doing by signing it and the law says if you sell it you warrant it.
Mom and Pop have not been to school yet, but it is coming.
TURTLE
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BULLSHIT. Allow you to hang a shingle and call yourself a Lawyer, Barber or a Doctor because you watched and helped a few times?
"Protecting the consumer" and "raising standards of professionalism" is precisely why we have licensing.

Make some software that harms someone. You know full well the software license is one long weazel clause. Stand behind your software like we do our trade Kinch. LOL
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bill writes:

No, those things are perfectly well achieved with voluntary standards that intelligent people can pay for if they choose.
When the government forbids, ultimately with threats of force, a willing buyer and willing seller to exchange in an honest transaction, because of a lack of a trade license, then that has nothing to do with consumer protection or professionalism. It is motivated by greed, of the tradesman who benefits from higher prices and less competition, and of the politician who gains a moneyed special interest.
In the extreme, the government itself will decide who will do the work and tax us to pay for it, like the public schools.
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Kinch, any fuckwit with a pair of pump pliers can hang a shingle and hold himself out to be a HVAC contractor in your idealistic world. That's exactly why we have licensing. You want the rules changed so your hack ass can do as you like. When you fuck up and injure or kill someone you can explain your theories to the judge.

Selling something to someone and providing a professional service is two different things. Don't try to blur the lines.

You don't know shit about business. Get a education Kinch. Preferably somewhere other than where you got your Ph.D.

Only if the Democrats win.
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So just exactly how do you propose that we should charge enough to be able to stay in business, be able to pay our bills, feed our familys, pay our taxes, pay for our medical and dental care, pay for our vehicles, pay for our homes, etc and still work for free??? Just exactly what is it that you do??? how much are you overpaid?? what does it cost you to pay for a roof over your head??? how much does it cost to feed your family??? how much does it cost for your medical and dental insurance?? how much do you pay in taxes?? how much does it cost to run and maintain your vehicles??? how much less can you get paid and still survive??
inquiring minds want to know.
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