I have a Lennox Heat Pump model HP-27-042
(http://lennox.com/products/overview.asp?model=HP27 ) and the
compressor died in it.
Luckily there is a warranty on the part, but I need to pay labor to
have it replaced. (I don't have an annual contract, but based on the
cost estimate I got, I would have broken even anyway I think).
In any case I got an estimate of $650 to replace the compressor, and
while to my non-HVAC professional eye, it looks like it could be time
consuming (i.e. doesn't look real simple to just swap it in and out)
$650 struck me as kind of high. I am going to try to get a 2nd quote,
but figured I would check with the pros in here to see if that was at
least a reasonable ball park number.
thanks in advance for any input or advice.
- Lynn B.
Thanks for the $750 part.. that was helpful. Trying to double check
my quote. My estimate was actually $750, but the company I use was
very cool in knocking of the $100 fee to diagnose the problem.
Not sure what caused the PS part? Care to elaborate? Was this not a
cool question to ask on alt.hvac ?
That is not a fair price, but you are being victimized by the "parts not
labor" warranty scam, and the trade protection racket.
Replacing under warranty means you gotta go thru the factory's dealer
network, which literally goes to school to learn how to manipulate and
gouge you on price.
Actually, you as a homeowner can do it too...
It works like this..
You go to the Lennox supplier
You show them your EPA card that shows that you have half a clue about what
you are about to embark on..
You give them the model and serial number of the unit
You give them the old compressor that you claim is bad
You give them a check for the cost of the compressor in CASE its NOT bad,
and check out time from factory..normally another $150 or so..plus a new
cap, not covered under warranty in this case..oh...and a jug of 22, since
you cant buy it in little cans any more...
They give you the paperwork back, a cap, a compressor, and a jug of 22...
You wait 5 months for your refund, IF and only if the compressor was really
And as a son of a Chrysler dealer, and ex-service manager for Chrysler,
actually they can do that as well, but the difference is, the dealership
wont charge you a dime in labor for a warranty engine swap out..altho, the
dealership is charged for it.
And yes...they will hand over an engine to your local grease monkey...but
the question is, why in hell would you want ANOTHER hack working on your
Not really. Richard..you really dont know a damn thing about running a
business do you?
Nope. He does not. Any licenced legitimate HVAC company can replace that
compressor, however, it helps to know
1-IS it really the compressor?
2-If it is, what is involved in the units replacement?
The reason I bring this up, is that I just came back from a call, on,
ironically, a 10 year old Lennox unit. It was not due to the fact that 3
other companies had been out and deemed the compressor dead, (2 of the
estimates stated on the invoice, shorted to ground) but due to the fact that
no one would come out and repair it.
I was refered to this guy by another old York customer that was friends of
his, and when I got there, I didnt know about the other 3 estimates, nor,
that it had been looked at previous.
When I got there, sure enough, the compressor was dead, and the customer
told me that somethings TRYING to run, it makes a noise and the lights
Ok...fair enough, it SURE sounds like....umm...could be...might be...the
CAPACITOR! After checking the Copeland scroll, (looked really good for a 10
year old unit) and finding none of the windings shorted, I took the cap out
of its holder and sure enough...it was swollen. Snap, crack, BOOM. Replaced
it with a new cap, and the unit ran like a champ. After another 20 minutes
of checking, the unit was deemed fit enough to continue out the summer.
Nah...a grand total of $65 on a Sunday, and hes back in biz...
Now..had it been, lets say...a new unit, still under warranty, and the
compressor really WAS bad.
I would not have touched a job like that that will kill a good 5 hours of
time or more for under $500..
I also have to state that over 90% of the time that a field tech condems a
compressor..warranty or otherwise in MOST areas, its a capacitor, or other
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:11:25 -0400, "Steve@carolinabreezehvac"
thanks for the additional info. Yeah, the big old capacitor in mine
was gone and leaking... and replacing it did not solve the problem...
hard to say what the cause and effect was (the cap went bad and then
the compressor went bad, or vice versa).
The wires feeding in around the compressor had melted a bit (the
I am comfortable with the technician's opinion on this one being the
By way.. it is HOT here in VA without A/C... yikes.
I suppose you want to whine about how much it costs to put a truck and tech
on the road.
While I have some business experience, I admit it is limited to competing
fairly and without artificial barriers to entry. You may be right: I don't
know much about the inside of your collusive, anti-competitive, and
protected trade. I do know that the alt.hvac cronies are the meanest bunch
of roustabouts in the NNTP universe, and don't fairly represent the HVAC
I dunno what it is about fixing stuff for a living, but whether it is AC
units, or garage doors, or brain surgery, you all seem to think your labor
is worth many times what mere mortals can do, but you need all kinds of
barriers and licenses to force people into paying it.
This is Turtle.
Richard , Your a Hack Maginet if i ever saw one or heard one reply on the
newsgroup. All the Hacks out there listening to what is said and they are
smilling like a mule eating briars. I'm not joking at all here.
This is Turtle.
No I'm not referring to you as doing any of the work but if you think that you
can do everything that a real profession hvac tech will do in all repair. well
your kedding yourself. Your ganging up all hvac people as hacks when only about
1/3 are hacks, 1/3 are uneducated enough in the business to do it right, and 1/3
is real hvac service professionals. Now if you gang them all and call them all
the same. When you do need some help professionally, you will probley call the
hack for he will be the cheapest priced and agree with you on any decission made
about the system. The Hack knows that if he let's you decide how it will be
done. You will screw it up enough to get to sell you a new system when it comes
I don't mean to lump the whole lot together. In any service business,
you have some that are technically competent, some that aren't, some who
are competent but with no head for business, and those who are crooks
with excuses why they're not. On top of that natural order, you have
the government contractor licensing, the EPA licensing, in some
situations the unionization, in collusion to bar entry to the trade and
to maintain prices. And on top of that, you have the manufacturer's
restraint-of-trade practices for price maintenance, which happens in
every industry that sells costly equipment (white goods, farm equipment,
cars, used to be personal computers before they got cheap), with
manufacturer's constantly influencing dealers to stop discounting and
Every bunch that wants government to enforce licensing talks about
"protecting the consumer" and "raising standards of professionalism",
but in reality it is all bout restricting the market, raising prices,
and picking who gets to practice the trade. Doctors, lawyers, barbers,
manicurists, morticians, tile-setters, etc. The chief determinant of
which enterprises are free of this and which are lousy with it is the
simple aspect of how easy it is to lean on people trying to do it. You
can police the drywall trade, you can't software over the Internet.
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