Kinetico water softener opinions

We are looking at one of these for our new house with reverse osmosis under the sink filters. The water hardness there is like near 12. Anyone have one of these spendy things? Like it? Hate it?
They don't matter a lot to me. I can shower in any old water, but the wife insists it makes a big difference in bathing, dishwashing, and clothes washing.
(I made her a deal. She gets this, I get a boat, so it ain't so bad.)
Steve
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The Kinetico I bought in 1985 cost $1,500 and only lasted 10 years. When I called the service company, they wanted over $1,200 to repair it and over $3,000 to replace it. Yeah, right. It worked just fine, but only for 10 years. I replaced it with something from the big box store in 1995, and that one's still working fine. It only cost $800. I would NEVER buy Kinetico again. I only got it for softening, since our water is off-the-chart hard. Without a softener the water pipes would get so blocked up with crud the water pressure would be zero.
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 21:00:32 -0700, "Steve B"

I don't have the brand you mention. A local company (Hanson) wanted over $1,000.00 to rebuild (10 year old) the meter and change resin in my softener. I ordered a new system (digital vs manual settings) online yesterday.
Total cost $447.xx. No tax or shipping. The exact model I have, except it is digital. They ship from Ohio or Arizona. The site has a calculator for sizing the system.
Save money and spend it on fuel for the boat.
See:
http://www.qualitywatertreatment.com/index.htm
-- Oren
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BTW, the SNWA site posts the water hardness.*
*The SNWA water hardness is about 313 parts per million (ppm) or 18.3 grains per gallon.
Size your system for 20 GPG, based I the calculator (the site I posted).
What kind of boat?

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wrote:

A 14' to 16' aluminum V hull with a 20 Merc or 15 Evinrude to fish the small lakes up in Utah. An old fart boat.
Steve
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 12:51:13 -0700, "Steve B"

Southern Nevada Water Authority (snwa.com)

Some lakes might not allow engines, except electric - I think.
Had a 15 Yamaha once... some how I'm still attached to that motor.
Replaced a lower unit once, it was a well abused motor and took us into many backwaters of Florida.
(check bass pro on dean martin drive). -- Oren
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Ayup. I've tramped the backwoods of Utah a lot, and know all the rules, and read the changes each year in the proclamations. Some lakes that have beavers in them have a no propeller rule. No motor, electric or whatever.
I had a 15 Evinrude, and a 9.9 too. Great motors.
Steve
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Thanks for posting that site, Oren. I think these guys will supply my next softener! Their prices rock.
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 16:52:29 -0400, <h> wrote:

I only bought here. Not being a softener person I can replace an entire unit FOR $447 vs 1K for a service repair/replacement. I just did my home work. Somehow; after many visits to the site, they went on sale.
BTW this is with existing softener plumbing. Mine will be out of the box and attached, if I take an hour or so. -- Oren
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That web site is doing things a bit different than industry standard. They are selling softeners larger than Fleck Controls says the 5600 should be used on. Check that out on their Product Details link. http://www.qualitywatertreatment.com/PDF/5600se_lores.pdf
They are using much higher SFR gpm figures than their distributor publishes for the same size softener, I buy from the same distributor. They playing with the peak and continuous flow rates of the softener and don't say which they are showing you. They are not using the continuous flow rate when they say @15 psi pressure drop.
A 1.0 cuft (32K) has a 9 gpm SFR no matter how much or little you pay for it. That's good for no more than a 1.5 bathroom house.... That's because every time you run more water than the SFR gpm, the softener can not remove all the hardness in the water.
I size for the continuous flow rate and if you run more gpm, you then get a higher gpm figure @15 psi loss but you can only run the water at that flow rate a couple minutes before you start getting hard water through the softener.
To learn more about correctly sizing a softener (note, not at the same web site) including the SFR goto; http://www.qualitywaterassociates.com/softeners/sizingchart.htm
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I'll call Craig. As I said earlier, I'm not a softener person. Both of you are in business and I'm just a DIY guy.

Not sure I get this?

Can you clarify what you mean; compared to posted material here.
http://www.qualitywatertreatment.com/flow_rates.htm

More flow rate info.
http://www.qualitywatertreatment.com/FAQS.htm#q15

For 12 years a 1.0 cu ft softener has served to people; in two houses. I replaced my system with a like system.

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The last I knew he was in KS or MO selling water treatment chemicals and his son or someone else was running the web site in CA.

The Fleck spec sheet says the largest tank a 5600 can be used on is a 12" for a softener and 10" for a filter. The link I pasted is the Fleck spec sheet.

I do not agree with those flow rates and as I said, they are higher than the distributor publishes.

Then you didn't use more than 9 gpm. Did the softener always give you soft water?
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