It does make one wonder how someone so busy working and making all that
money has time to read and follow all these posts on the Internet
It doesn't make me wonder at all, though.
I guess they prefer blogging to fishing or titty bars.
O gawd. Now I wonder about their sexual orientation ............. Not
going to titty bars and defending their "bubba"hood.......
You forgot the one about:
If you sought out opinions and recommendations of others so that you
hired a "Qualified and reputable technician," it is YOUR fault if HE
does crummy work. After all, YOU should not have fallen for those
recommendations or HIS promises!!! Least of all, You should NOT have
posted in a news group populated by professionals so that you don't make
such a mistake.
I guess you should have used a Ouija board? (To those who try to be
helpful, you ARE appreciated.) Unfortunately there are not enough of
you in this NG. It is no wonder homeowners are willing to try to fix
their own systems before calling a pro. They have little confidence in
being treated fairly, and many of the "Pros" in this NG explain why that
is the case. All one has to do is read how some of them sell items not
needed or charge for items not delivered.
Actually all one needs to to is find a Pro, and not the lowest bidder, or
the one with the biggest company ,or the biggest YP ad.
Is the actual technician doing the work a certified Master (or even
jorneyman)Technician?? Is he/she Nate certified?? When was the last formal
training they attended?? Are they certified to use the new refrigerant(s)??
You ask these same type of questions of Doctors, Lawyers, and other
"professionals", why are you not asking these types of questions of those
you are trusting to work on the single most expensive appliance in your
home?? Even automotive mechanics have their certificates in frames on the
wall in their shop. We as HVAC technicians, are bringing our shop to you(the
customer), so we don't have a shop wall for you to see all the education and
training certificates. If in your ignorance, you don't ask about the
technician's qualifications, certifications, and training, then thats on
you, not the schmuck that shows up on your door step. In your ignorance, if
you don't ask, how do you know that the guy that just showed up on your
doorstep didn't "almost graduate from high school"?? (I have guys like this
calling me asking for a job as a tech, I tell them to go back to school).
As far as ALT.HVAC, when you come in here and ask a question, *most* of the
time, depending on the question, you will be to call a tech because we can't
*SEE* your particular furnace or heat pump or a/c through the computer
screen. 99.99% of the time you haven't bothered to do your homework and
search the archives to see that your same question has been asked hundreds
of times over the last 10 years. You will probably find that 99% of the time
when somebody is told to call their local tech, they get pissy about it just
the same way that you did because it wasn't what they wanted to hear. FWIW,
I have given up trying to reply privately because I am tired of typing a
lengthy reply of whats *probably* the cause, and how to correct the problem
only to have it bounce back because a bogus e-mail address.
You can joke all you want... but its your own ignorance that is the root
cause of your dissatisfaction with the HVAC trade. If you really want to
know, and see, first hand what a true professional HVAC technician does, and
how they work, I'm sure that there are several owners/master technicians
that would welcome you to ride along for a day....myself included.
Now its your choice.... you can put up, or shut up.
Either way, please go away
Blueman, you're right on the money about the alt.hvac forum, all those
guys do is belittle everyone else. They often say that the alt.hvac
forum is for "professionals", but then they do nothing but drop the "F"
bomb on everyone and say you're an idiot, how professional is that?
(see Paul's post above for example),
The alt.hvac forum has turned into a sandbox for these "professionals"
to throw mud at unsuspecting people posting with legit questions. They
really do the HVAC industry a disservice.
The evil side of me though is thinking of making this one of my
regular newsgroups and pitching a new "innocent" question every day...
Should be fun to see them respond to the bait like Pavlov's dogs...
Worse comes to worse, they just iggie me in which case next time I ask
a real question, I won't have to wade through their waste-of-bandwidth
I also really love the one about how "this is a professionals only
newsgroup" -- well, duh -- this is USENET and groups unless moderated
are open to everyone... Also, talking about "cheap bastards", if they
want their own private sandbox to pee in, then why don't they each
pitch in a dollar a month and get their own hosted site. But then
again, you can't buy web hosting with food stamps and these unemployed
so-called tech's probably need to save their last pennies for their
weekly sunday six-pack.
I can truly understand your point, I just don't see the necessity of all
the name calling that came from a simple question by blueman. A simple
"we don't care to answer that in this newsgroup" would suffice, instead
some of you act like "crazies." You're about the first one to respond in
a logical manner. I appreciate that.
I agree -- no one is forced to answer any questions on USENET. Heck,
every day I see plenty of questions on newsgroups that either I don't
know the answer to or don't care to answer. I would have to be pretty
desperately unemployed to waste my time responding to every posting
that I didn't want to respond to in the first place with a tirade.
The funny thing is that if their real intention is to avoid non-pro
clutter on the alt.hvac newsgroup then they have truly achieved the
opposite. Here we have a thread of maybe a 100 posts (95% of them
childish name calling and tirades) that surely is obscuring any true
pro-to-pro conversation. Believe me, if no one had responded to my
post, I wouldn't be sitting here responding to a vacuum. The
signal-to-noise ratio has got to be one of the lowest on USENET and
that is saying a LOT. All those "pros" must really be proud of the
level of discourse here... Hmmm, makes you really envy all those
"lucky" people in the HVAC profession -- NOT!
. Here we have a thread of maybe a 100 posts (95% of them
| childish name calling and tirades) that surely is obscuring any true
| pro-to-pro conversation.
Ironic isn't it, that 95% of those posts are yours, and since when do you
earn the title of pro?
95% of the posts are mine? -- if that is how you do simple counting, I
can't imagine how you can be trusted to do something like a "Manual J"
or even calculate your customer bills (if you have any).
Also, your ability to read is rather suspect since nowhere did I call
myself a pro, though it is clear from the level of this newgroup, that
I am a lot closer to being one than I would have imagined.
| Also, your ability to read is rather suspect since nowhere did I call
| myself a pro, though it is clear from the level of this newgroup, that
| I am a lot closer to being one than I would have imagined.
I assume the following statement from you included yourself, pro to pro
If you read the context, I was responding to the people who claim that
this group is reserved for pro-to-pro conversations -- hence, by
getting into tirades, temper-tantrums, and flame wars, they were
effectively pissing in their own sandbox.
I continue to marvel at the (lack of) intelligence expressed by the
so-called experts on this group...
| > |
| > | Also, your ability to read is rather suspect since nowhere did I call
| > | myself a pro, though it is clear from the level of this newgroup, that
| > | I am a lot closer to being one than I would have imagined.
| > I assume the following statement from you included yourself, pro to
| If you read the context, I was responding to the people who claim that
| this group is reserved for pro-to-pro conversations -- hence, by
| getting into tirades, temper-tantrums, and flame wars, they were
| effectively pissing in their own sandbox.
| I continue to marvel at the (lack of) intelligence expressed by the
| so-called experts on this group...
It seems to me that you are putting yourself above everyone else here in the
intelligence stakes, and if this is the case, why on earth do you insist
in playing along with their so called tirades?
I know that question was directed to 'blueman', but I'd like to step up
Don't know about the others, but I'm trying to learn a new language.
Too old to learn Spanish or French, so I'd like to learn "Common". And
I figure the
best way to learn it without hanging about where the restroom stall
walls have holes
in them is to drop by and listen to some of the knuckle-draggers make
invitations and show their double-digit (at the most) IQ's.
And it may not be a matter of counter-top intelligence for all of the
of the responders to 'blueman's' query had valid suggestions. But
can't really say "many". Unless you count the ones that spent so many
getting permission to open an A/C unit, and are appalled that a mere
would even think about doing it on his own. They are the ones that
comrades to try for "Humanitarian of the Year" by telling him it was
dangerous to consider, and to leave it for the professionals.
Well, in every profession, there are a few professionals, and a lot of
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