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You're full of shit clear to your ears...I guess you don't know many QUALITY contractors..If you can't use 3/4 of a pail of mud (ONE bag) in one hour (90) you're a slacker and wouldn't last ONE day working for me unless you're a rookie...Besides they make 210 if it is a cut up job or staging work ...Need me to convert that to hours for you ??? Ok I will , it's 3 HOURS....Try your little fan trick up here when it's zero out and you're using space heaters to heat a LARGE house or it's spring , summer or fall and it's been foggy or raining for a week or longer or humid as hell....Might work in Arizona but not here in coastal New England...Unless it's a commercial job with long flat walls your banjos and boxes are pretty much useless the way they build homes now with all the cathedrals , angles and curves and COMPLETELY useless doing patch work in a renovation..The square box type ranches up here are all modulars now...I can't remember the last stick built ranch...LOL... .Besides the machines take atleast 2 or more to operate them so the man hours are about equal or WORSE...Atleast compared to a REAL taper..If they got the ENTIRE house done in 2 days I can imagine what it looks like...I've seen HACKS like that too...Made alot of money fixing their SHIT work....HTH...
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:06:16 -0500, benick wrote:

90 minute mud is unworkable in 20 minutes max.

Typical abuser, adding unusual and unnamed circumstances to the mix. You have never used the machines, nor seen them in action. In a 5-7 man crew ONE person mixes mud and the rest are using the machines to apply mud and tape. The machines only need ONE operator, not 2. This is a 2,000 sf custom built homes with cathedrals and boxed mud! You obviously never saw anyone on stilts either! An entire room is taped in less than 1 hour. Some of these guys are faster on stilts than you are on the ground!
You obviously never tried to clean setting type mud out of a machine. If you don't get it cleaned up quick, you may have to throw out that $300 piece of equipment. Once set you have to scrape it out, ruining the tank. Boxed mud cleans up easily, even after drying. The slightest amount of leftover mud will totally ruin a finish.
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I don't mean to jump into the flame war you guys have going but that simply isn't true.
If you use warm water or over mix it you will not get the rated time so maybe that is your experience. The more times it is applied and scraped off the wall also affects the time.
Failure to clean the mixer, tools or pans can also cause an early set.
Personally, all those things considered, I never mix more than I can use in half the rated time and I do all the mixing without using a power tool.
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:48:23 -0500, Colbyt wrote:

I use the 90 minute mix with room temperature water and rarely get more than about 20 minutes working time with it. I might get a half hour at the most. The 45 minute stuff gives me about 15 minutes. I never really used a stop watch to test this, but these estimates are based upon job start and finish (cleanup time). It also depends on your definition of unworkable. Mine is when I mix a thin slurry to do finish work and can't get a feather edge anymore. I can still use it for another 10 minutes on fill, but not last coat unless I don't mind a lot of sanding.
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