is venting your dryer to the house O.K in winter?

[Joseph Meehan]

Rod Speed wrote: ....

Say what you like about me, I really don't care, but please don't give poor advice that might end up killing someone.

[DJ]

Out of curiousity, I plugged "rod speed" into a google/groups search.

Apparently, the pattern displayed by RS here is a way of life for him. I had to page through about 500 subjects before finding a post that wasn't slamming the dufus...

Four words hold the key to ridding ourselves of a pest such as RS:

Don't Feed the Trolls

This type of outrageous behavior is all he lives for, take away his food supply and he'll either shrivel up and die or at least go elsewhere for his perverted sustenance.

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless f****it desperately cowering behind DJ desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

[Rod Speed]

Joseph Meehan wrote

I will indeed.

You clearly do.

So stupid that it hasnt even noticed the hordes of unvented natural gas room heaters that kill no one at all.

[~^Johnny^~]

I usually ignore his drivel, but as a retired appliance mechanic, stupid statements like his really irk me.

First, he wrote:

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So it doesnt affect what the burner gets, stupid.

Wrong, as always.

Wrong as always when its the OUTPUT thats restricted.

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Then:

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Doesnt happen with a dryer.

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He richly deserved a flaming.

-- -john wide-open at throttle dot info

~~~~~~~~ The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining - JFK ~~~~~~~~

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless f****it desperately cowering behind ~^Johnny^~ wrote just the pathetic excuse for a troll that any 2 year old could leave for dead.

[Merlin-7 KI4ILB]

You would not want to do that.

The humidity in your home would get to the point where surfaces would start sweating (condinsation)

However, there is nothing wrong with adding more vent pipe (inside your home) but still vent it outside. I would however use hard pipe,not flex. The flex pipe is not smooth enough on the inside and restricts airflow. Something like a large radiator.

[Robert Scott]

Only if you were using the dryer all the time. The usual intermitant use of a home dryer would produce an amount of moisture that would be quickly absorbed by the rest of the house, just like when someone takes a shower without a bathroom vent.

But I would say that the main problem with indoor dryer venting is that it is next to impossible to filter out the lint. Even the commercial devices designed to do this are inadequate. Lint accumulation can be anything from a nuisance to a fire hazard.

-Robert Scott Ypsilanti, Michigan

[Calvin Henry-Cotnam]

In the province of Ontario, Canada, it is against code to vent a clothes dryer indoors, but it is not as obvious as a simple rule saying a dryer must be vented outdoors.

Under the definitions of terms and phrases section of the code (1.1.3.2) the definition of an EXHAUST DUCT is as follows:

"Exhaust duct means a duct through which air is conveyed from a room or space to the outdoors"

On its own, it requires a stretch of the imagination to see that this covers a clothes dryer. Combined with the fact that dryer manufacturers label the outlet as an "exhaust", it is clear that the code requires, by definition, that an exhaust duct vent to the outdoors.

There is a rule in the OBC that ties clothes dryers directly to the fact that they have an exhaust. Rule 6.2.4.11(3) states:

"Exhaust ducts directly connected to laundry drying equipment shall be independent of other exhaust ducts".

[Jonathan Mason]

Unvented natural gas room heaters are designed to be unvented. Most dryers are not designed, nor approved, to exhaust into living areas.

[Jonathan Mason]

If you had accurate information, you wouldn't need to resort to sixth grade schoolboy obscenities and other juvenile antics. Codes that allow unvented room heaters tell us nothing about clothes dryers. Unvented heaters are designed to be unvented; clothes dryers are not.

[Rod Speed]

Jonathan Mason wrote

Pathetic, really.

Pathetic, really.

[Rod Speed]

Jonathan Mason wrote

Corse that silly little f****it didnt do anything like that itself, eh ?

Wrong. They do show that unvented natural gas room heaters are perfectly safe.

Pathetic, really.

[Joseph Meehan]

Rod Speed wrote: ..

Rod, being insulting is one thing, but using lack of logic to try and prove that something is safe when it is not is serious. Someone might take your foolishness as fact and could die as a result.

Please reconsider your tolling. Taking risks with other peoples' lives is not funny.

Your kind of games are the standard for adolescents who can't adjust to society. They don't realize that it is those actions that create their problems, not solve them.

[Rod Speed]

Joseph Meehan wrote

Wrong, as always.

That statement that unvented natural gas room heaters are perfectly safe is fact, stupid.

Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

Retake Bullshitting 101.

Pathetic, really.

You pathetic excuse for bullshit is the standard for terminal pig ignorant fuckwits.

Your pathetic excuse for bullshit in spades.

[DJ]

Hey Rod, I think you've got that "unvented natural gas room heater" stuck up your ass. It seems to be applying pressure to your brain. If somehow you can manage to remove it, maybe then you might realize the thread is about clothes dryers, not room heaters...

Besides, it would appear you have totally used up your vocabularly, you keep writing the same words, no matter what you are responding to. Try going back and completing the 4th grade, you'll be a happier man for it.

[Rod Speed]

DJ wrote

Hey gutless, not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought, or anything else at all, either.

Your pathetic little deviant fantasys are your problem, gutless.

Not a shred of evidence that you have anything other than ear to ear dog shit.

Pathetic, really. The FACT that unvented natural gas room heaters are perfectly safe PROVES that its perfectly safe to vent a clothes dryer into the house if you want to do that.

[CBHVAC]

Without adding more to the flame part...

I think Rod might be mis-informed.

Yes, its safe, to a point, to use a heater labeled unvented in a room, however, there are precautions even for this, as anyone that is in the heating trade can tell you. Even these units come with an O2 sensor that shuts the unit off in the event of an improper burn condition that could possibly kill you..

They are also designed to burn as clean as we know how to make them currently, and they still emit as a byproduct CO, CO2 and H2O. Two of the above CAN kill you as we all know. Ok..all three can, but its gonna take alot of water vapor from that NG, or LPG to get that much water.

A dryer, is a completely different animal. It is NOT designed to heat the home, it is NOT designed to burn as clean as a heater. The metering, burn location and heat exchanger, the entire design of it, it NOT to be vented into the home, as the warnings on the units state. More than once we have been called out on a CO detector call, to find that the dryer was unhooked from the vent, and someone was trying to use it for "free" heat.

A dryer burn system, is closer to a furnace than you might want to admit. Its the same reason that even a stove, in a kitchen, if its gas, must have a hood system that is vented outside.

While it sounds like a good idea, to some, the proof is simple. Get your hands on a CO detector, not the POS that is sold at Lowes and Home Depot, but a hand held, certified detector, like a FLuke..they run about $240 for a good one, and check the level of CO at your dryer vent....you will be surprised.

CO posioning isnt a joke, its real, and it happens over silly stuff....trying to run a furnace with a gas valve thats adjusted wrong, a crack in the heat exchanger....a dryer that the limit switch goes bad and allows the valve to fire all the time its running.....

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[nicksanspam]

So it's time to tear down lots of existing houses? :-)

Nick

[Rod Speed]

CBHVAC wrote

We'll see...

And the reality is that f*ck all die with unvented natural gas room heaters when those precautions are ignored. Essentially zero.

Plenty of them dont, particularly the unvented kerosine room heaters.

Fuck all CO in practice, just like with unvented natural gas stoves and ovens etc too.

In theory, yes. In practice they dont, which is why the code allows unvented natural gas room heaters and unvented natural gas stoves and ovens too.

And in practice sweet f*ck all ever die from unvented natural gas room heaters, stoves and ovens.

Like hell it is.

Irrelevant. And you can prove that by measuring the CO level too. And you can get completely neurotic and have a CO sensor with any of those gas appliances too.

And in practice f*ck all ever die in that situation.

In practice there is sweet f*ck all in it with CO and CO2 production.

Obviously you will get more water in the discharge air given that its is after all a dryer. That aint gunna kill you because you dont die with even 100% RH.

That is complete pig ignorant drivel.

Gets sillier by the minute. The cheap ones are fine for CO levels that are a real health risk.

Nope. And you wont with a unvented natural gas room heater either.

In practice no one dies when they choose to vent their drier into the house.

In practice no one dies when they choose to vent their drier into the house.

Bet you cant list even a single example of that ever happening.