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On Thursday, March 6, 2014 11:11:03 AM UTC-5, Robert Macy wrote:

You never said they were one shot costs, nor is that relevant.

Yes, but no one cares. The obvious issue is what does this cost when you sell hundreds of thousands or millions. From the website, that is the kind of market it's target for. Nobody cares what it costs to make 100 to 1000. Good grief.

Which is irrelevant, because we all know how that works and that similar devices are already available. What we have here is *not* something that works on a single conductor.
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 10:15:48 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net

single pair, not conductor
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On Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:10:22 PM UTC-5, Robert Macy wrote:

What I said applies to a single pair. There is no commercially available meter that I'm aware of from the likes of Fluke that you can put around a two wire AC power cord and measure the power. And if it were possible to do, I would expect test meter companies would offer it. So, sorry, but I remain unconvinced, especially since absolutely nothing is said about how this new device, that isn't even available, works.
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On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 05:39:32 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net

Jumping back and forth. I thought you were talking about my technology and costs. I know hos to make such a device, but not much demandfor it. No, the utilities suppliers don't want it. Or, at least don't know they want it.
Regarding the device offered for sale, haven't seen the web page, info, picture, or anything about it, other than people's descriptions posting here. Couldn't say if it worked or not. I'm like you, I know it is possible [you do think it possible, right?], but unconvinced that what is offered will do it.
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On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:41:22 AM UTC-5, Robert Macy wrote:


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Good grief, the first post had the link to it.
Couldn't say if it worked or not. I'm like you, I know it is


I'm not so sure it's possible to make one that will work reliably with various sizes and construction of power cables, cords, etc. Eg, flat, vs round, are the conductors twisted, etc. I did a bit of googling and did find one company that has such a product, but then canned it. There is discussion here about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_clamp
"A relatively recent development was a multi-conductor clamp meter with sev eral sensor coils around the jaws of the clamp. This could be clamped aroun d standard 2- or 3-conductor single-phase cables to provide a readout of th e current flowing through the load,[1] with no need to separate the conduct ors. It was claimed to be accurate with cables of certain specified types f or which it could be set, and usable but less accurate with others.[1] Howe ver, there were some comments that it did not give reliable readings,[2][3] and it was discontinued.[4]
Again, if you could make this kind of tester and it would work reliably on the cables, cords commonly seen, I would think it would be a very successful product for any of the real test eqpt companies. And if Megger couldn't get it to work in their tester, I have doubts about it working in a cheap consumer market product. And IDK of any test eqpt companies that offer one, do you?
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On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 06:43:20 -0700, RobertMacy

Well, it's obviously something you've given some thought to (hopefully more as a "thought experiment" rather than out of professional involvement).
"Ah, Technology, thou art a cruel mistress with thy double edged sword."
You seem to be suggesting a 'de-weaponised' commercialised application of "Spook Technology". Should we be worried?
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On 3/7/2014 2:26 PM, Neon John wrote:

I don't remember seeing you post in a while John. Good to hear from you!
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On 03/05/2014 05:16 PM, Congoleum Breckenridge wrote:

From my brief look at the website, the device does not exist. It's just an idea looking for money.
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I prefer analog meters for many jobs. Digital meters are so sensitive the readings can be useless.
I walked under the power line at my home it must be 30 feet in the air, and my digital meter gave all sorts of readings, my analog meter ignored all the electric fields
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On 03/06/2014 07:00 AM, bob haller wrote:

That's why I sometimes put a resistor across the leads.
For example, I do a lot of computer work and had some issues with CMOS batteries. They all measured 3.0 volts or above.
I put a 150 ohm resistor in parallel with them and the good ones read about 2.5 v
The ones that dropped to zero, I discarded.
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That's pretty efficient. What is your brand name for electric water heater? Can you give me more info?

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Furthermore, how do you separate water heater from cooking and drying clothes? Those are very high-power consumption.
a.. Money b.. Energy bills Energy bills rise by 37% in three years Gas and electricity prices are rising at up to eight times the rate of earnings, warns Citizens Advice
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On 3/23/2014 5:19 AM, ObamaNocare wrote:

I want to hear about the college that teaches lower energy bills. Of course with the liberal agenda, they likely all do.
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On 3/23/2014 4:19 AM, ObamaNocare wrote:

I don't know if it is efficient or not, at this point there are just two of us in the house. If I can remember, I'll check the brand, I got it from Lowes.

I put a power meter on my water heater in 2008. Look on Ebay, they're cheap.

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On 3/26/2014 9:47 AM, amdx wrote:

Got a link? I didn't find anything that would work on a hard-wired water heater.
Cheapest water heater power meter is an electric clock across the element. You'll need a 240V clock or stepdown transformer or a relay or some such.
Another fun thing to do is to use a 25-cent Palm III PDA to watch the flashing light on the power company's digital meter. Graph the power consumption in real time. Pretty easy to see when the water heater comes on.
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On 3/26/2014 12:21 PM, mike wrote:

I used a regular house meter. You need to break the wire insert meter box and plug the meter into the box. http://tinyurl.com/mg3s98c

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Try an Engineering school. last one I attended (looooong time back) was not a liberal school (sociality department excepted) by any measure.
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wrote in message news:...

If Engineering schools have all the answer why are we still not energy independant?
Why do we have hyper seller Elon Musk selling dangerous Lithium-ion batteries to CA homes?
Not me neither.
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You can go to a place like Hialeah Meter and get recycled (zeroed) mechanical electric meters dirt cheap. Your PoCo might even give them away if you don't mind them having hours on them. I have one on my spa/pool panel and another one I can just hook up anywhere I am curious.
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Might be IF the politicians and capitalist could control their greed.

Risk is a cost benefit trade off. The solution to that particular problem is a better battery which requires R&D funding.
I had (pre Katrina a VW that was battery operated. Also had a get a way plav in the NC mountains that was 100% off grid. So it can be done,
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