On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 02:21:57 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:
Botanically, a pristine plant has cell walls, and these cell walls keep
the urushiol-laced sap from being on the outside of the roots, vines,
stems, leaves, flowers, and berries of Toxicodendron diversilobum.
However, in nature, a pristine plant would be hard to find, so, I don't
doubt one bit that there may be oils on the OUTSIDE of the plant!
For a graphic example, look at this picture of me holding a Pacific
Poison Oak plant that I just cut with a chain saw.
Clearly the oils are on the outside of this (brutally damaged) plant!
It turns out it doesn't take all that much to damage a cell wall, so, I
don't doubt that urushiol sap would be on the OUTSIDE of a (damaged)
plant. Here, for example, is a shot from yesterday where I circled all
the obvious areas where the urushiol-laced sap bled from the vine:
Given that a pin head worth of urushiol can infect 500 people, and that a
quarter ounce of the stuff can infect every human on earth
(REF: http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/fastfacts.html )
I wonder what the CONCENTRATION of urushiol is in the dripping sap in my
photos (because I clearly was exposed yesterday to a thousand times what
it takes to infect everyone on earth).
I remember reading that Danny did mark the bins.
And the trash pickup guys refused the bins.
Just imagine the pickup guys coming down with
wicked poison oak, and not knowing why.
Can we donate that stuff to the military, and they
can spray it on the enemy a couple days before
ground invasions? Just think if we sprayed Mogadishu
before the "Blackhawk Down" invasion that went
so badly wrong. All those skinnies home, itching
instead of shooting at the Rangers.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
Did you mark the bins so the disposal guys will be aware of the danger?
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:00:50 -0800, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Actually, I had put a sign in Spanish & English on the green recycling
bins, but, then I called the waste management company to warn them, and
they told me they won't pick them up because they are a toxic waste
So, I ended up wistfully pulling all the mutilated Pacific Poison Oak
vines back OUT of the bins (which probably exposed me to more than
chainsawing them did!) ... and I carried the bleeding-black vines deeper
into the chaparral for safety sake, cursing the day I ever got the bright
idea of putting them into the recycling bins in the first place!
Lesson learned, the hard way!
Note: In the picture above, the black ring is a ring of oxidized urushiol,
which weeped clear, but then oxidized to a black laquer since Sunday.
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 06:15:46 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
There are similar cutters that mount on small tractors, that's how
roadway shoulders are cleared of heavy brush... they're called "flail
mowers". From your pictures it appears one could easily clear your
property down to stumps with a small tractor with a cab (for
protection) and a brush hog... my set up can clear your property an
acre an hour. Once cut treat the stubs with defolient, I'd use a hand
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:29:22 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:
Understood. They clear the roads out here all the time with a five foot
wide cutter than arcs high and can get behind the guardrails (banging
them up in the process).
That WOULD work for the part that I just cleared, but not for the part
deep down in the ravine 100 feet below (which is inaccessible to tractors
Probably not in my budget though. :(
You don't need to buy, you can rent. But I were you I'd contract with
a local land clearing company... since it appears that you really need
to get the job done it pays to have the pros do it... they have the
equipment and the know how. Often attempting such jobs oneself the
cheap turns out expensive. You might be pleasantly surprised to find
out having the pros do it doesn't cost as much as you may think. Get
some estimates, that's also a great way to learn some good ways to
approach your problem from folks who actually know. I know that it
can be very tough on certain people's egos but there are some jobs one
shouldn't do themselves, from what I can see I think this is such a
job. Were it my property I'd have the company that removes trees for
me do that job, they'd arrive with a small crew (maybe four men), in
no time all that heavy brush would go into their heavy shredder, it
would get trucked to a dump site. Then they'd come in and till and
power rake your entire field. In practically no time all your
problems would be over and you'd have nice fresh land to do with as
you will. I don't remember seeing where you mention how much land is
involved (acres?), I'm guestimating from your pictures that job will
cost you about $1,000, well worth it. Jobs like yours are almost all
labor, there are no materials involved like when putting in a gravel
roadway... only material for your job is like $100 diesel.
Either of these companys can do your job, I've used both several times
each, both are very reliable and honest. If all you want is to remove
the brush contact LB, if you want to remove the brush and totally
improve the topography contact Maggio:
IF you don't come up with a better method, at least get a chainsaw
extender so that you are further away from the spray.
Goats, by the way (I used to raise them), will eat the leaves and softer
stems, not the woody vines. If the leaves are hard to reach, they may
not bother, but if they do, the trampling of the vines also helps.
They may chew on the bark of the vines--that part I can't remember.
They did like the bark of some trees, but I don't remember whether they
liked poison oak bark. (It was thirty years ago)
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:35:25 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:
Wow. You have a lot of good information!
If they chew on the bark, there's no way they're not exposed to the
urushiol in huge amounts!
Here is a full-sized picture of what's just under the bark on a small
vine, of the type they might chew on. They must have amazing guts!
Well, remember your posts about changing the chemical structure.
Hydrochloric acid and whatever else is in goats' stomachs would probably
And they don't chew much at first. Like cows, they pick and swallow
rapidly, then they relax somewhere, cough it back up and chew it thoroughly.
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