Yes. Those times come when the cost-benefit ratio of the new technology
begins to exceed that of the old technology. With DTV that'll be...
when the old technology is forced to disappear by mandate. As long as
the old technology in question is allowed to exist, it will ALWAYS be
cheaper and simpler to mass produce an NTSC television than an ATSC.
That's because the cost-benefit ratio of the new shoes is far better than
the cost-benefit ratio for the old ones.
How much do you think the converter is going to increase the resale value
of my television? Get serious. You added the stuff because it pleases you,
but mostly because adding it puts money in your pocket when you move.
Your converter box is only going to be taking money OUT of my hands.
If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination,
my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin.
Not the same thing;those were MARKET decisions,not forced by government.
Suppose you just bought a new car.Then the FEDs decide that ALL cars must
be electric drive by 2009(thanks to enviro-nuts and Kyoto ;-} ). Your car
must *come off the road*,or be converted to all-electric drive,no gasoline
or diesel will be sold after that date.
Are you going to be happy about that?
Jeez,some people on fixed incomes are already eating dog food so they can
afford their meds,or doing with half a presecription because they can't
afford a full purchase.
I've got three TVs;am I going to get THREE vouchers? No.
Jim, remember you've got until 2009, this is (almost) 2006. How old
are those TV's? In 2009, they will all be 3 years older and, as
pointed out by many, if you really want to extend their life, you can,
by buying some inexpensive equipment.
You don't buy a car expecting it to last forever do you?
Be thankfull you live in the USA where mostly bad, (but sometimes
good) tv is still free.
If you lived in England, the TV police would be cruising around your
house in mobile radio-detection vans ready to rip you off (for black &
white) or rip-you-off bigtime (for colour TV) with a hefty yearly fee.
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:37:29 GMT, not firstname.lastname@example.org (Beachcomber)
I bought a tv around 1980. It still works, but the old click tuner
was getting flakey. Last year I bought a new 20" tv for $90 and I
love the picture. I expected this set to also last 25 years, and
figured that set would outlast me, since I am old. I am one of those
people on a fixed income and spending $30 is asking alot. But like I
said in another post, I am sure it will be MUCH more. FIVE
converters, New antenna, etc.... More like $500 in the end, just to
be able to use the sets I now have. I can not fanthom spending $1000
or more for a lousy tv set. To me, tv is for watching the news, and
something to keep the house lively when I am on the computer or doing
other stuff. Most of the programming is crap, but I still like having
that box turned on. I have no interest in satellite tv at the prices
they charge, and cable is not an option where I live. Right now, I
have all the bills I can handle with the basics, such as utilities,
mortgage, and insurance. This internet is my only luxury and because
I live in a rural area I am paying DSL prices for dialup, but thats
all there is.
I should also mention that I have a relative that is disabled and much
older than myself. She will NOT be able to watch tv at all. I know
that for fact. She can not operate a vcr, she wont be able to deal
with a converter. She is alone enough as it is, and is depressed.
This will only add to get lonliness and depression. All she can do is
turn the tv on and off, and change channels and volume. The last time
she hit the wrong buttom on her remote, she was without tv for 6 weeks
till she finally asked me about it. She was embarassed and thought
she broke the tv. I went there and found she had lost the presets on
the channels. They are set automatically, but she could never do it.
Once again, this is not just a cut and dry matter of paying $30 and
plugging in a few wires.
I hear you. The needs of our senior citizens are important
considerations. I'm getting up there in years myself and I wonder
about such things myself. Fortunately, as a group, old people still
vote and the politicians still listen sometimes.
As I said in a previous post... I think anyone living in a rural area
that is currently trying to pull in tv signals form 50-80 miles with a
huge antenna and a rotator may pay a premium price to switch over to
I think there are many hidden costs when you live in a rural area
regardless of age. You pay more for less Internet service, higher gas
prices for longer trips, and probably you have less access to
acceptable medical services.
As a group, I really don't think that senior citizens are going to be
faced with expenses for $1000 to continue to watch free tv. There
would be riots in the nursing homes if this were the case.
I'm certain that there will be inexpensive solutions. Just like if
today, if you want an inexpensive computer, you can find a used one
for $100 or so. It may not be fast or run the latest operating
system, but you still will be able to connect to the Internet and do
what you need to do. I really think that by 2009, the whole thing may
be a non-issue.
"FIVE converters, New antenna, etc.... More like $500 in the end, just
be able to use the sets I now have. I can not fanthom spending $1000
or more for a lousy tv set. "
Let's not make this worse than it is. You say you have 3 TV's and 2
VCR's. As was pointed out previously, typically you would need only 3
digital tuners. The tuners output an NTSC signal to the TV/VCR. $1000
for a lousy TV set is way off the mark. The end of NTSC broadcast is
set for 3 years from now. Yet, right now, I'm looking at an ad in
today's paper where for $1000 you can buy a 51" Hitachi Projection
HDTV. Online you can find a 27" CRT HDTV for as little as $300. By
March, all TV's 27" and up must have a digital tuner built in. And by
2009 you will of course get a lot more for a lot less.
"As with cable boxes,they only output ONE channel,so you cannot record
channel and watch a second at the same time."
Yes that's true. But the poster was claiming that with 3 TV's and 2
VCR's he would need 5 digital tuners. At the very least, with one
tuner for each TV, he could watch any program on one and record any
other one on the other TV/VCR. Folks like me with cable have managed
to work with this restriction for years, it's nothing new.
Plus, I'm having a hard time buying the story that someone with 3 TV's
and 2 VCR's is so economically disadvantaged that paying $80-150 for
two digital tuners come 2009 is such a big deal.
not email@example.com (Beachcomber) wrote in
Then it is essentially multiple receivers in one box,(or a "block
converter");I believe any basic DTV receiver box will not be that way.
Maybe they got them as GIFTS.What's it matter HOW they got them?
There are quite a number of people who work more than one job just to
feed,clothe and house themselves,and people on fixed incomes,retirees.
Yes,but government is not forcing tape makers to stop making tapes,or VCR
makers to convert to Hard drive/DVD recorders.
They also have not forced cable companies to comply with their OTA
The manufacturers decide on their own according to their market research
and product demand.
Government assigns freq,power limits,and BW allocation,but should not have
any say on what system is used,as long as the users stay with their
assigned BW and power limits.
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 02:27:49 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
Yes, the cable box has two tuners in one box. THere is no reason such
things won't exist for HDTV.
Maybe they'll get HDTV tuners from the same place.
Do you think the broadcasters should cram analog TV into their alloted
HDTV channel? Do you think broadcasters should be able to broadcast PAL
TV? The government owns the airwaves and certainly does have the right to
force standards. Whether HDTV is a good idea or not is another issue (no
use for it personally).
Back in the days before the de-Regulation of the Broadcast Industry,
the concept was that "the people" owned the radio spectrum and that
the FCC was the gov. agency charged with stewardship to insure that
this resource was managed for maximum benefit for all.
At some point about 10-15 years ago, this changed, and Congress and
the FCC decided that spectrum allocations could be bought and sold by
private individuals and organizations. The billions of dollars that
they took in was used to make payments against the national debt.
This is why we have, in the larger markets, a Cingular, a Nextel, a
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