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I was trying to figure out how to work tant into the so far right he''s parallel to the ground scenario.
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 06:49:05 -0400, Stormin Mormon

Nobody said FAUX news was totalitarian. And I didn't say you would end up with totalitarian government. With no government you have ANARCHY which is a different situation. Under anarchy there is no security, no rights, no "rule of law". The drug cartels of south/central America are but one example - and "totalitarian" hardly fits.
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On Saturday, July 5, 2014 8:30:13 AM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

Actually, totalitarian fits the situation in Mexico a lot more than anarchy. Mexico has a strong, corrupt govt that pretty much does as it pleases. And what pleases it is getting paid off and being in cahoots with the drug cartels. The govt is enforcing laws and controlling the country, it's just that it's exempting most of the drug cartels. If you rob a bank or beat up someone at a bar, you get arrested, prosecuted, so that kind of crime, which you would get away with if there was anarchy, is controlled. The drug cartels in turn are obviously a totaliarian organization, that brutally enforces their own set of rules and operating procedures.
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2014 08:17:58 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"

But "free enterprise" cannot exist in a power vacuum - AKA Anarchist state
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I have always considered myself a small c conservative.. I have lived and worked in a country where the government was a lot more intrusive than any government the USA has ever had. "Single party democracy".
You have no idea what I believe - but like a typical American you see everything as black or white, left or right ...
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On 07/06/2014 01:46 PM, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

I pretty much base my thoughts about you on what you say.
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On 07/06/2014 04:06 PM, Todd wrote:

Hi Clare,
Being that you come from other parts of the world, I wonder if you realize that what we Americans call "Conservative" is what the rest of the world calls "Liberal", or more specifically "Jeffersonian Liberal".
What we call "Liberal", the rest of the world calls "Socialist" (in England they are called "Labor").
Part of the battle is controlling the language. Our socialists decided they like the term Liberal better than socialist, so they stole it.
By the way, your "sound" exactly like our socialists. Stormin' is not an extremist. He is pretty much main stream. It is all about trying to control the language.
Do you hail from Mexico? If so, which part?
Of the Americans I know from Mexico (they are part of our family now and you can't have them back), they are some of the sweetest, nicest people to walk the face of this earth. (The ones that break our laws and sneak in the back door rather than knocking on the front door, you can have back.)
-T
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On 7/6/2014 4:46 PM, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

> like a typical American you see

You said something about not knowing what others believe, and then you painted all Americans with the black and white brush.
Don't take any advice from Clare!
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On Monday, July 7, 2014 7:06:12 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:

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I noticed the irony in that one too.....
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On 07/07/2014 05:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:

I figured it was the old "rules for radicals". Accuse others of what you do. I also noticed the "Little 'c" conservative" remark too.
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Nope, Canadian, but have worked in Africa.(and travelled elsewhere as well)
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gasoline

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government

gun,

handgun.

Yes, it would be nice if everyone was "free" to drive 80 mph on my street, dump garbage in the lake or build a rendering plant upwind from my house.
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On 07/07/2014 01:17 PM, Guv Bob wrote:

Hi Guv,
Do you honestly think that was the point he was trying to make?
He was making a case for clipping an overreaching government. You know, like one that doesn't fine a contractor for not having an MSDS on file for some sun screen an employee brings to a job site, which actually happened to one of my customers. By the way, that same customer use to spend 1/2 a day on government paperwork before starting a job. Now he has to spend five days. And there has been no change in the environment for all that extra job killing paperwork. Sunscreen a dangerous toxic chemical to the environment? This is overreach.
Here is the point Stormin was trying to make:
Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil. We have it in our power to begin the world over again.
Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first a patron, the last a punisher.
That would be Thomas Paine and Common Sense (1776). His writing is why a higher percentage of our population lost their lives fighting that war than any other war in our history. His words ring true now as much as they did then.
-T
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