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Incandesants are dumb to use as a main light source, they produce only maybe 3-5 % off that 100 watts consumed as light, so run 11, 100 watters this summer, and its the same as running a 1000w electric heater, pay to cool your home, and pay to heat it at the same time, Real Smart.
where else would you put a battery? Unless you're talking about a car battery, THEY go in the pile on the back forty until the price of lead comes back up.
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I agree. Hell we used to play with big gobs of mercury in science class. We're still here.
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So, how does tuna in cans become infested? Sea flies? That is the problem with people who have knee-jerk responses to everything. They knee-jerk without thinking, and they end up looking dumb, which is probably where they started in the first place.
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Mad as a hatter, tho.
they rank pretty low.
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who said canned tuna. HD has a Nine year warranty on cfls, im not throwin my 2$ bulbs away, im goin back for freebies when I need them and let them dispose of them, as they do for free with batteries. So beath well today, knowing your coal plant is giving you Mercury.
I have little need for lights (at home) in the summer. I bet you=20
*hate* large screen TVs too.--=20 Keith
Primarily because I can't stand the light and they're too slow to turn on where I don't care about the light.
CFLs aren't for many fixtures. They do get hot and the electronics doesn't like it. You have a lot to learn, my boy.
Don't be an ass.
You *are* a perfect example of a sheep, who likes it when the man from Washington bends you over. I bet you really love those 1.6gal toilets. You'd have thought that congress would have thought up something larger, given their needs.
Don't be an idiot. I know it's hard work to think, but try it anyway.
The planet has been around a tad longer than that and is still useful.
Now, don't add lies to your list of sins, junior.
Tungsten lights have far better color rendition than most CFLs. Halogens (which I use almost exclusively), even better.
If that's your best argument, hang up your spurs, kid.
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I got one in PA about 10 years ago, 16 at most (well after a move 16.5 years ago), and it is mercury.
It's easy enough to tell. Mercury is silvery, while alternative liquids look different - usually dyed red.
- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)
The incandescents last a lot longer than those new fancy bulbs. Why the heck does the new kind burn out so fast?
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Yeah, I just use incandescents and long tube fluoros myself.
Its the technology.
Not as much as you.
There's other alternatives (at a higher cost) for the heat hell holes you mention. Personally, I've never liked or used recessed lighting. Most of them are big leaks in a homes thermal envelope, but you haven't impressed me as caring much about conservation, just consumption.
Don't be a flunky.
You've been listening to way too much wingnut radio/tv. Such is right wing opinion in that it is all opinion and no facts. Just insult anyone who disagrees. Don't let reality get in the way.
BTW, I have an old fashioned toilet because I live in an old house, but have no objection to the new design toilets. The new ones work, as opposed to the first generation.
You'd have thought that congress would have thought up
You seem to think we can just keep living the way we do now. I'm sure the Mayans felt the same way as they gobbled up all the available resources.
Name a common appliance that is less efficient. The only thing in the same ballpark is the common loudspeaker, but their drain on the grid is minor.
It's hard to call 2800K, good color rendition.
A few hundred degrees hotter.
There are excellent color balanced CFLs available, suitable for viewing and judging color balance in photography. Much better than the short lived photo floods. Certainly better than the common incandescent or your halogens.
I don't understand your problem. No one is taking away your specialty halogen lights. All we are talking about is the old edison based lamps which should join the trash bin of obsolete technology.
CFLs last longer, its proven, maybe alot of duds are made from crapy chinese manufacturing, but HD has a 9 yr warranty and at 2$ a bulb. so keep the warranty and pack in a box.
I'm sure IKYABWAI is the best argument you can come up with.
I do, but I'm not forcing you to have them.
Nonsense. How does a thermal leak occur between floors? If idiots, like you, design houses all sorts of stupid things are likely to happen.
Hardly a fluky, ass.
Absolutely the truth, which your "argument" falls well short of addressing.
You like to spout government lies. I have a set of "new" ones. They don't.
There are a *lot* of things we can do and will have to do. Having government (or you) force change for changes sake is asinine. Choice is a good thing. The market will decide the matters soon enough without government screwing up the economy.
Define efficient. Televisions. Toasters.
It's hard to call halogens, 2800K.
Stupid.
They all suck. I've tried them, and relegated them to the basement (when I had one). I own none now because I hate them.
They aren't "specialty". They have an Edison screw base, and come in the standard sizes. I have "standard" tungsten in some floor lamps though and closets though. I'll be buying a few hundred over the next couple of years because you leftist loons are forcing your religion on others, again.
Obviously.
krw check out a review of cfls at Popular Mechanics magazine, the new soft white are not what was out a few years ago, even by brand it different, PM put a HD soft white at Par with incandesant. And putting in cans in my kitchen does now allow out alot of air by sidewall loss up to the attic.
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I see so many 1.6 gallon/flush toilets nowadays that work as well as toilets ever did. This does have an effect on my consideration as to which side I would call a liar!
- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)
i would say that if one has difficulty with one's 1.6 gal. toilet, one should reacquaint oneself with instead of embarking to recapitulate the work of Morgan Spurlock.
and while we're at it (vis a vis the original subject of incandescent lights vs. CFs)... just who are these Dutch Masters whose calibrated retinas are so acutely attuned to color temperature and chromatic rendition?
I got in early. Sometime year before last, or possibly early last year, Menards had gigantic palettes of CFs for sale at less than $1 bulb, or something like that, for 2-packs of Sylvania Soft White 13 watt "mini-60's".
Worsk great. I relamped almost the entire house and bought enough extra tubes to relamp it 1.5 times more. I have several in vented base-up track fixtures, and a few in unvented base-up globes and haven't had any problems. None have died, and my electric bill has dropped measurably and significantly.
And, amazingly, i can still tell what color my stuff is! I very much don't notice any "difference" in "color rendition" between natural sunlight and my CFs, and i've tried to ... well, notice.
Puerile whinging, i say...
Of course, the Damoclean sword looms menacing for the day that one burns out, when i shall throw myself bodily in the street, shrieking in agony from Murcury Possoming [sic] and beg my neighbors to euthanize me before the EPA plucks my parrot and drowns me in tank of HgX and locks me away in Camp X-ray for environmental terrism [sic].
oh wait. i'll just put it in a little plastic grocery bag until it's convenient for me to drop it off at some recycling center somewhere. Neverminds...
CF's rule. Esp. when one realizes that a very very modest investment in CF's in this country frees up generating capacity equivalent to a few gigawatts of nuclear (or coal, for that matter) power plants.
Should be a Know Brainer for the anti-Coal people, the Anti-Nuke people, the Anti-Natural Gas Peaker Plant people and the Anti-building High Tension Distribution Power Lines IN MY BACK YARD IN MY FORMERLY A CORNFIELD SUBDEVELOPMENT people.
Oh, ya. Someone said on the radio at lunch that it would be harder to see the ZOG watermark on my $1000 bills that I like to count before i go to walmart. I Forgot. I don't have the Dutch Master's eye.
BTW, CF's rule. Old school wolfram tubes drool.
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HDs 60$ Glacier bay 1.6 works just fine, I just put in 12.
Mine, a "Jake" model from Toto, works better than any of the old ones I ever had.
As for CFLs, I put them in years ago. After one day of use, I don't even notice the difference. Haven't tried the newer models yet as only 1 of the old ones needed replacing. The only drawback I have seen is in the outside lights - the warm up period before they come up to full power.
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