On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:54:40 -0800, bob haller wrote:
I try not to kill even the black widow spiders I catch
almost weekly and baby rattlesnakes I catch ever few months.
I relocate them to a far corner of my property. These gophers,
I'd relocate, if I could. I first tried noxious chemicals to
try to French them out, but, so far, that hasn't worked.
Now I'm moving one notch up, by soaking them out. I have
hilly property, so, on purpose, I chose a hole that was
halfway on a hillside. There is about four feet above and
below the hole that is soil (concrete being on both sides
So, I'm hoping that the 5,000 gallons of water I just put
into two of those holes will flush them out. They're welcome
to find another spot to live, as I have plenty of non-grassy
land further from the house.
Let's hope they got the hint, because I plan on giving them
another 5,000 gallons of water (4 hours, 3/4" hose, 80psi)
from the two hoses again tomorrow.
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:57:21 -0800, bob haller wrote:
This, I don't doubt. Simply because I put 5,000 gallons into the soil
(by my calculation) and absolutely none if it rose to the surface.
The ground absorbed (almost) all of it!
(Cracks weeped in the concrete.)
Seems to me a good week of rain, which is what we get in California
during the rainy season, would add to the soil far more water than
I can flood into that gopher hole. Right?
And they live through that every year.
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 01:41:57 +0000, Danny D'Amico wrote:
(preliminary) LESSONS LEARNED:
1. My first lesson learned is that it's just not worth trying to
irritate the mole out of the yard with noxious chemicals.
Mainly, it doesn't work; and secondarily, it costs $8 a gallon
(or so) for the chemicals (when a reusable trap only costs $9).
2. My second lesson learned is that flooding them with water isn't
worth it either. Maybe it worked, maybe it didn't. I don't know
yet. But, after flooding for two days at 2,500 gallons a hole,
that's 10,000 gallons of water that started leaking out of my
concrete anywhere it could leak out.
3. My third lesson learned is that I should have tramped down
*all* the gopher holes *before* beginning the "treatment".
I can't tell if the flooding worked or not. So, today I raked
over all the mole hills, so I can tell if he's gone for good.
4. My fourth lesson seems to be that the cheapest effective
way to get rid of the gopher will either be this rat poison
or that Mcabee gopher trap!
Trouble is, addlepated gopher wanders out of burrow, is eaten by family
dog or neighbor's cat, and now you have a situation on your hands.
Learn to trap. Use Macabees, and trust me, you will get them, and catch
new ones before they make too much of a mess. Just put the trap at the
freshest dirt, and like you said, rake off the dirt so you can see the
fresh stuff, and that identifies the active tunnel. They will make
several, one for food storage, one for breeding and raising young, and
alternatives for escape routes, and further food gathering when the
roots are ready to be eaten.
It's a pain, but once you learn how to trap, you will get them in a day
or three, they don't make a mess all over, and for some reason, other
ones stay out of the yard, and it's a long time inbetween. Maybe they
smell the tunnels of the removed gopher, and think there's one there,
and respect its territory?
Watch it with the poison. You might have more than a dead gopher in
your yard in the morning.
Steve, King of SW Utah pocket gopher stalkers, Great Poohbah and
Mucketymuck of Gopher Assassins of Utah Lodge #1847.
After having talked with the Federal EPA and the California
Department of Pesticides, I see now that poisoning the rodent
isn't really all that good of an idea.
The so-called second-generation anti-coagulants, which I just bought
three pounds of (bromadiolone), will deliver a lethal dose on the
first feeding, but, they won't die for a day or so. They then come
back for a second and third feeding, building up a super lethal dose.
If they die inside their burrows, nothing bad happens, but, if they
die outside, then whatever eats them also dies.
Hence, the EPA and California have both banned the second-generation
rodenticides from being easily bought by you and me.
Pros can buy them, but, in large sizes only (the EPA told me 8 pound
sizes, but, I read 5 pounds). Either way, it's more than one person
would need for a while, so, they've effectively banned them from
Luckily, I was able to buy three pounds of the stuff, so, I'm
ok for a while, but, I won't use it outside on the gopher. I'll
just use it inside on my garage shelves and drawers.
Dudes! Two words: C-A-T S-H-I-T !!!!
My sister lost a cat to secondary poisoning. That is
why we researched and came up with the cat shit treatment.
(She is single; she has lots of replacements.)
Speaking of spending eternity in the bad hell playing
golf with Stomin' and folks who talk in theaters and
fart in crowded elevators, after my sister did "the deed",
I called her up and apologized profusely, telling her
I was only kidding and I did not expect she'd actually
do it. She threatened to kill me. It is good to be a
brother. I wonder if Stormin' cheats at golf?
the riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 21:57:21 -0800, bob haller wrote:
I give up on trying to flood them out!
I noticed today, that the hole I flooded was filled in with
chips. I'm not sure if the wind did that, or if animals did.
I didn't see any new gopher holes, but, silly me, I didn't
tramp down all the gopher mounds, so, I can't really tell.
So, today, I bought some poison and traps:
And, I raked over all the gopher mounds on part of the lawn:
If any new mounds show up, the poison & traps will go in next!
*BTW, do gophers cross a driveway?*
I have been treating one side of the driveway only; but I have
gophers on both sides.
Do they cross the driveway?
Or, are those separate burrows?
Let's hope it's not a fish because I was shocked that the two little
20x20 foot areas that I flooded each absorbed about 5,000 gallons of
water without even showing a drop at the surface!
The ground has an amazing capacity to soak up water! (Of course, it
has only rained once since about May.)
In California, when it rains, it pours; so I wonder how the gopher
keeps dry when it rains for a week?
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