I suspect there's some sort of government interference that mandates
thermostatic control over heaters . Anyone know? Whether there is or
not how does one get rid of the thermostat?
The practical problem: small bathroom with sink and bath/shower
combination. On the ceiling a round gray metal steel inverted bowl
with a circular incandescent glowing wire (the element) around the
outer edge and a small fan pointing down on the inside. The fan blows
the air over the element and warms everything underneath... or used
to. The fan and element are controlled by a timer in the wall. You can
really ignore the timer and just consider it as single-pole switch. I
personally installed everything here since the beginning of time!
So back around the beginning of time this all worked as I intended. I
go in the bathroom, turn on the timer for 15 minutes, have a shower,
dry myself, feel nice and toasty warm, and if the 15 minutes are not
up turn the timer to zero and all's fine.
About ten years ago this seemed to stop working so I mortgaged the
house and paid the local electrical supply store for an exact
replacement. I installed that and it seemed to work as before. From
that point on I didn't pay too much attention as my main bathroom on
another floor was coming on stream so I never again used the old one.
That is until the last couple of months when I had to return to it due
to leaks from the new one.
In the old one now the heater heats until some magic point is reached
and it cuts out. That point usually corresponds to the moment you've
just turned off the water so you start shivering. The answer is to
remove any thermostat in the heater. What do thermostats look like?
Any web page with simple references and diagrams would help?
Let me guess, the heater element got shorted some how and over heats
triggering safety shut off switch. Are you trying to get rid of built-in
safety shut off switch and get fire started? Trouble-shoot for real
cause of the problem begining with careful visual inspection.
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 23:08:25 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
No, the answer is to REPLACE the "thermostat" - which is really an
overtemperature protection device. If the fan is working properly the
overtemp protector has gotton weak.
I would definitely NOT remove or bypass the protection.
The words "exact replacement" refer to the visual inspection of the
heater.... same color, same shape, same diameter... etc. Not toan
exact part number or specification conrrespondance. I don't remember
but I would think that the first failed for the same reason an
incandescent light bulb fails: at some point along its length the
element rusts and/or burns through. The element is mounted on
On 01/23/2015 11:30 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Ok, I re-read your post and realize that it does appear to be a problem
with the thermal protection breaker and you should not bypass it.
The industrial equipment I worked on for my job, used them and though it
did not happen often they could fail in just the way you describe.
To replace one is absolutely no more time consuming or difficult than
bypassing it and they certainly don't cost much.
What you can do until you fix it is simply not turn the heater on until
you step out of the shower...or better still get your other bathroom fixed.
I don't know why you have to over-complicate this whole affair. I'm
not really interested in why the old one failed. The new one doesn't
fail at all. It acts like it probably should, turning itself off when
it thinks you've had enough heat -- naughty boy! You're only entitled
to a mild warming. Think of the children!
I've had similar spot heaters for the last 40 years but only recently
have I noticed that they all seem to be "thermostatically controlled"
-- even the gas ones.
The "safety shut-off" switches on these type of heaters are usually
the type that turns the electricity off when the heater is knocked
over. It doesn't apply to heater mounted on the ceilings or screwed to
How can you knock off a heater mounted on the ceiling? That shut off
switch is really a thermo sensor. They are every where. If it is
bi-metal type, mostly it is adjustable. Knock over sensor is usually a
mercury switch. I am just saying. Safety first is being naughty?
Wrong! What a load of crap! The thermostat regulates the temperature
indeed but it's not a safety device. It supposedly imitates the
temperature control on the central heating. Have a look at some of the
cheap-o ones in the discount stores and read the boxes.
I never understand why you lot just don't reply to the questions
asked. No editorializing!
On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 00:51:11 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
Because the answer to the question is it is NOT thermostatically
controlled - it is thermally protected. Thermostatically controlled
heaters have an external adjustment knob, and the heater cycles to
Most of the ceiling mounted "radiant" heaters are NOT thermostatically
controlled.. The wall mounted timer is the give-away.
The behaviour of the heater has changed over time. The thermal
protection devices have a habit of failing that way.
The heater in question is similar to the Nutone QT9093. ()google it)
or the Qmark QCH1151.or a Broan Model 157 .
Note both of them specify they have self resetting high limit
90% chance it has a "thermodisc" or "clixon" device.
I've fixed quite a few of them over the years - the thermodiscs don't
On 1/23/2015 8:08 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Sure we do, but you won't get any help with that from anyone who
You have been given some info about REPLACING the thermodisc
protection device. Probably has the cutout temperature written on the side.
While that's certainly a failure mode, I'd first look at increasing the
airflow to keep the temperature lower. Clean out all the dead mice
and see if it works better.
If you insist on defeating the fire protection, save some additional $$$.
Sell the family burial plot and go for cremation. Insist on 50% off
because you'll already be half done.
On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 5:24:36 AM UTC-5, mike wrote:
It's not clear to me if it's an actual safety protection device that
only triggers if some unusual high temp is reached because something
went wrong or if it's as the OP thinks, a normal temperature regulating
type of thermostat. IDK about this specific type of heater, but for
heaters in general, it's not unusual for them to have one of each,
with the "safety" one being a thermal fuse that opens once and for all.
In any case, it would seem there are two choices:
1 - Probe around in the heater to find out how it's wired and what
exactly is controlling it, then, if possible, adjust or replace a part.
Even if he was going to bypass it, which I don't recommend for obvious
reasons, he'd have to do that anyway.
2 - Buy a new unit, maybe consider other types, like an infrared heat
lamp type which might give better performance
On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 8:08:07 PM UTC-8, email@example.com wro
You need to determine if the power is being sent when it cuts out or the po
wer is no longer being sent to the heater, a celling heater is not optimal
as heat rises I guess you know this, the unit sounds like the high limit
safety is tripping, may be due to age or dust but bypassing is not a good
idea, replacement will be the way to go if cleaning it wont work.
The wall-mounted timer has nothing to do with the heater. It's just a
standard rotary timer that could be used for anything.
The Broan 157 is exactly the model.
I have had electrical space heaters on and off for at least 40 years.
You plug them in or direct wire them. When the electricity is on --
either switch or plug -- the elements glow and the room warms until
you decide to turn it off. Simple eh? I've never had one cause a
problem. Only the most obtuse, those afraid of their own shadow, the
"think of the children" crowd, require something else and of course
that was my original thought. Ah! It appears that I was right.
So now I have to strip all this unwanted "protection" out of this
You know back is the good old days people would help others to defeat
"the man". How do you defeat copyright protection for some piece of
software or what equiptment do you need to eliminate Macrovison? (A
Time Base Corrector is the answer to the latter.) Today it seems
you're as likely to encounter some "goody two shoes" as a fellow
fighter against the system.
Oh well, looks like I just have to do it on my own.
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 00:30:37 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
No, you were wrong. The protection is required for UL approval,
removing the protection voids the UL approval and also voids your fire
insurance. Only a total imbecile would remove or bypass the
No. REPLACE the protection.
Only someone with significantly less sense than a total imbecile would
advise you on how to defeat the protection.
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