An ambulance ensures someone with an eye for symptoms
is on hand *before* and *during* the episode. Also
ensures the impaired driver doesn't take the life of
an innocent in the process.
Who knows how long she sat, dying, on the side of the road
with no one to notice nor do anything to assist.
What amazes me is how people are making judgements but don't know many
facts. We have no way to tell just how she felt. It may not have been
serious when she left and had no idea what the end result would be.
I've twice seen cases where a person did not feel well but did not think
it serious. One turned out to be congestive heart failure, the other
was a burst intestine that was surgery a couple of hours later.
I've seen the opposite too. Person taken by ambulnace and it turns out
to be a minor problem.
Woman in question had a habit of avoiding ambulance rides.
I don't know if it was the cost or the embarassment (having
neighbors seeing you carted off) or just not wanting to
have "strangers" in her house (another embarassment?).
She'd floated the idea numerous times in the past of
asking *us* to drive her to the hospital in these situations.
We made it abundantly clear: if you need a ride for a
doctor's appointment, etc. feel free to ask. If it's
an EMERGENCY, then don't put US in the position of
having to assume responsibility for your welfare! The
ambulance/paramedics can get to your house in far less
time than *we* can (she's 3 or 4 miles FARTHER outside
of town than we are -- and we're a good 15 minutes drive
time from the nearest hospital, esp as we'd have to obey
traffic regulations, etc.)
When you're pushing 80 and have a history of health issues, you
don't gamble. "Penny wise, pound foolish"
I've visited the ER three times in ~25 years:
- "splattered" a fingertip one afternoon (a few stitches and a 5 hour wait)
- drove fingernail onto a "spike" (remove foreign body, cleanse and 5 hrs)
- *extreme* ache in lower extremities
In the first case, I could see the extent of the injury and had someone
on hand to drive me. First Aid training had me prepared to control the
In the second case, I was on the hospital grounds when it occured and
just needed a "lift" to travel the two blocks to the ER entrance.
In the last case, I considered my previous two experiences (having been
"#1" in the triage priority list in each case -- and still having had to
spend 5 hours in each case!) and opted to just go back home. Given
that there were no *visible* signs of injury that could be easily
identified/treated, I figured I'd probably spend MORE THAN 5 hours
to see someone (as it wasn't likely that I'd be "top of the priority
list") and would probably get sent home, none the wiser. *Or*,
given an expensive BED to spend the weekend waiting for <whatever>.
In hindsight, the first incident was handled appropriately. No need
for an ambulance. Yet, avoiding the ER would have been a mistake
(no way to stuff all those "inside" back into the skin! :> )
The second incident I could have avoided the ER -- had I not been
on the grounds, already. Recounting it to my MD/PCP prompted him to
push for a DPT booster (advisable given the amount of work I do
The third incident I shouldn't have bothered *going* to the hospital
in the first place as I could have come to the same conclusions
had I done all of the "thinking" at home before getting into the
car (so, I wasted 40 minutes: 15+15 driving and 10 minutes thinking
If you're considering a trip to the ER, ambulance is most likely
the appropriate means of conveyance! She saved herself a few
dollars, and some embarassment (?) -- and, thankfully, didn't
leave her kids with a liability lawsuit (if she'd hit anyone
while driving or otherwise damaged property).
I am betting it's the cost. Anyone whose seen a recent ambulance bills
would be wary of the cost, even with insurance.
<<Kira Milas has no idea who called 911, summoning an ambulance filled with
emergency medical technicians. Ms. Milas, 23, was working as a swim
instructor for the summer and had swum into the side of the pool, breaking
three teeth. Skaken, she accepted the ambulance ride to Scripps Memorial
Hospital in La Jolla, Calif. The paramedics applied a neck brace as a
A week later she received a bill for the 15-minute trip: $1,772.42. Though
her employer?s workers? compensation will cover the bill, she still was
stunned at the charge. ?We only drove nine miles and it was a
non-life-threatening injury,? she said in a phone interview. ?I needed
absolutely no emergency treatment.?
Medicare, the insurance program for the elderly, does tabulate its numbers
and has become alarmed at its fast-rising expenditures for ambulance rides:
nearly $6 billion a year, up from just $2 billion in 2002 . . .
Some [insurers] will grant coverage if the destination was an emergency
room, regardless of the patient?s status, but others may require admittance
to the hospital as evidence that the condition was serious . . .
But when an ambulance arrives, sick patients or injured people like Ms.
Milas, often feel they have little choice but to get in, unaware of the
potential price tag . . .
Some companies even charge hundreds of dollars extra if a friend or relative
rides along with an injured patients.
Then why bother with the ER instead of "urgent care" or her PCP?
It's just bad reasoning.
Neighbor's wife on some heavy duty meds: "Do not drive while you
are on this Rx!"
Ah, but wifey doesn't like waiting around for the FREE "handy car"
service that the city offers. So, she's out on the road every
chance she gets (instead of planning her travels so she can take
advantage of said service -- usually very punctual *if* you
SCHEDULE a pickup; but, can't just say "come get me, NOW!")
Husband thinks nothing of this -- good Conservative: Rules
are for the OTHER guys!
I casually commented: "What will you do if she gets in a wreck
and the MD testifies that he told her not to drive? What will
you do if she TAKES A LIFE in the process? Just shrug? What
will you do if they take your *house* in the lawsuit that follows?"
As I said, upthread: people have poor reasoning/decision making skills.
This suggests Medicare would have covered the trip?
Here, we are more concerned with where they *take* us. Certain
institutions are run by religious orders (won't honor DNR's, etc.).
Others aren't particularly known for good care. Etc.
Moral: get sick at home, avoid getting in traffic accidents
(esp if close to one of the "undesirable" providers!)
Many folks are airlifted for care, here -- too many remote areas
where land carriers would take too long for each leg of the trip.
Gotta wonder what one of *those* rides costs?!
Same here. But if you're unconcious, they take you wherever they want to.
Don't get sick AT ALL if you can! (-:
I worked with a two star general who's closely associated with "Angel
Flight" that provides medical air lifts for free to people who can't afford
Good people providing a service that's often desperately needed by those
living far away from medical resources.
On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 5:54:25 PM UTC-6, Robert Green wrote:
Speaking of ambulance costs, last year my 12 mile ambulance ride was billed at $7,500. Of course, they ended up settling for about 10% from Medicare. I pity the poor guy with no insurance who is responsible for the full amount. A screwy system.
Yes, it's so embarassing that the richest nation on earth and the alleged
"leader of the free world" would rather spend taxpayers money bombing and
rebuilding Muslim countries on the other side of the world.
You'd think we would be mortified that place like Cuba do better than we do
in caring for all their citizens. The role of "nation building" is nowhere
to be found in the Constitution (spelled out directly, anyway) but "to
provide for the general welfare" of our citizens was placed prominently and
directly right at the front.
When people talk about American "exceptionalism" I wonder if they ever think
about how much better so many other countries are at providing health care
to all citizens? The same goes for reasonbly priced high-speed net access
(even though we started the internet! For shame!!).
We could learn a lot about how the Germans value training programs to get
people back to work but we can't pass a simple jobs bill after the biggest
crash since 1929. "American Exceptionalism" seems to mean we're so
egotistical these days we believe that no other country has anything to
And worse, Bush couldn't win a war against insurgents armed mostly with
IED's. So the long wars he started in Afghanistan and Iraq have given hope
to terrorists all over the world who now know that the American military
couldn't prevail against the Taliban and Al-Queda.
Bush made us look weak, stupid and willing to bankrupt ourselves fighting
people who had little or nothing to do with 9/11. As soon as we started to
pull out, the Iraqis went right back to their old ways and reignited the
Sunni/Shia feud. What a surprise! Heckuva a job, Bushie.
<<Speaking of ambulance costs, last year my 12 mile ambulance ride was
billed at $7,500. Of course, they ended up settling for about 10% from
Medicare. I pity the poor guy with no insurance who is responsible for the
full amount. A screwy system.>>
Very much so. But it's a testament to how the power of Medicare's huge
"customer" base helps negotiate outrageous charges down to the realm of
reality. If Congress hadn't wimped out and allowed Medicare to negotiate
drug prices, we wouldn't be subsidizing Europe who DOES get a big negotiated
discount on US drugs for their health care insurers. Getting booted off the
formulary is something Big Pharma likes to avoid like the plague so they
often cave on outrageously high prices.
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:19:06 -0800 (PST), firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I'm in Maryland, NW of Baltimore.
We had 30" of snow last night, but looking at my n'bors' townhouses,
they have only about 5" of snow on them. Maybe too much hot air in
the attic? Some of the snow is falling off the trees too.
The pictch is about 7-8/20 which is 4.2 to 4.8 over 12. I guess there
are no roofs that are 4.2/12, so maybe it's 4 or 5. Not much
different from your brother's.
Is he susceptible to ice dams?
He could go in the attic and maybe get an idea. Is any part of the
I havent' done this but maybe hit the roof pretty hard with a baseball
bat and get some of the snow to slide off.
Worry about the north side of the house. I realize I'm looking at the
south side, or east and west sides, of my n'bors. I can't see any
north sides but I know they get less sun and melt slower.
In Alaska, they use artillery shells launched
from a Howitzer. And they drop bags of explosive
from a helicopter. Perhaps you can use these
techniques at home?
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:34:56 -0500, Stormin Mormon
Use a drone to drag a snow rake.
It's dark here now. I should have suggested before, but he can just
tie a 2 or 3 foot stick to a rope or a heavy string and throw it on
the roof, then pull it off. That will start the snow coming off.
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