My house is 25 years old, which means it has the first generation of
toilets meeting the then new federal mandate for water conservation. What
_that_ means is if you use more than two sheets of toilet paper, the damned
things clog up. I know the technology has changed radically in 25 years
and new toilets that meet the mandate work a lot better. So I want to
upgrade. The question is, what do I want to look for in the way of
features? For example, the OrangeBigBoxStore has 6 Kohler models alone
that run from approximately $330 down to $160, and the description cards on
the shelves say almost the same things for each model. The only advice the
Helpful Person could offer me was "Don't buy the most expensive and don't
buy the cheapest." Right. So what do I want to see printed on the box or
on the shelf card to know I'm getting a good, efficient, toilet?
This link is entitled "How to choose a toilet".
I have 2 American Standard Cadet 3 toilets and I am extremely satisfied. I
bought one during a bathroom remodel and after using it for a year, I
replaced my other toilet with one.
We've never had a clog in either toilet after years of use.
Watch the video available at that site.
AS also has a Champion 4 line which looks like a higher end series than the
Cadet 3. That might even be better than mine.
I just bought 2 Champion Pro's. One was installed a couple of weeks
ago and I have not had a single problem. The other will be installed
tomorrow. This one only uses 1.28 gallons of water per flush. They
were a little over $300 with me picking them up. I was told by my
plumber that these were commercial units. The water fill connection
is brass and not plastic. These look like really nice units.
My brother let his wife supervise remodeling, or the house came this
way, and he ended up with stupid French toilets that had to be cleaned
after every use.
Don't ask me why I say that.
It was unbelievable. Even if I had an upstairs maid and a downstairs
maid, I wouldn't want those toilets.
Toilets in Europe have a little different design. Many of them are
straight sided and have little water in the bottom so they get a lot of
skid marks. I've often thought of taking a couple with me to sell over
there. Every bathroom I've been in Europe has a brush handy.
This must be a way for you and me to get rich. Or you and someone.
See, I woudlnt' have noticed that, because my mother had a brush
nearby even though no toilet we ever had was a problem. But she
cleaned the toilets weekly or so and didn't want to put a wet brush in
a cabinet. She didn't bother with something to hide the brush, just
a little saucer to collect the drip. (so the brush wouldn't freeze?)
My house is older and as toilets started giving problems I had them
replaced with new toilets carried by my plumber. None of them have the
problem of early toilets. Toto, I like best. Plumber charged $400 for
that one but others were $300 which considering my age and attempt to
repair and reseat a toilet resulted in a cracked toilet. Been a few
years but charge included new toilet, removal of old one and
installation of new one.
One of my favorite curb finds, a big tank Koler made early 70's. That
baby takes care of business with one big Kerrrrwhooooosh and the bowl
stays clean. Replace the working parts in them when needed and stay
with what works. High fiber diet? Noooooo problem
BTW... The American Standard Cadet 3 toilets that I mentioned earlier are
not listed as dual flush units, but they can be used as such.
A quick press on the handle releases enough water to flush liquids away,
while a slight delay in releasing the handle results in a full flush for
I called AS and asked about that and the CSR agreed that they will work
that way, even though they do not have any of the innards of a dual flush
toilet. As long as the result is the same, I don't really care what they
On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:01:32 AM UTC-8, Alan Holbrook wrote:
The greater the height water falls from the more force it’s going to have
. The higher the rim of the tank (where water is stored not where you sit)
from the floor the better a flush you’re going to have.
First, determine the size you want. I'd go with an elongated bowl and
the comfort height, especially as you grow older and the knees and back
I have two Kohler Wellworth at home and we have four at work and they
are all 1.6 gallon. They work well. One of the differences you are
seeing is the subtle differences in cosmetics. I got them from the
plumbing supply in town and saved about $50 over Home Depot. IIRC, it
was about $300 or less.
You will also find American Standard and Toto models that are equally
good. They should comply with a certain class to assure a good flush.
There is a web site th at lists models and what class they are if yhou
want to play with Google a bit.
Start here http://www.map-testing.com/
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