How NOT to build a wall

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They'll hold together ok for a year or so... just until the warranty's over. Even if the guy doesn't do the repairs, it saved time on the install, right?
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It also shocked me the first time I took the casing off a jamb. And our house is usually exceptionally well built, as it was built as part of the carpenter apprenticeship program and the instructor was a real bastard who made the students redo anything that was not perfect. I know this because I talked to a couple of guys who had worked on it as apprentices in 1978.
I will not say anything about want one of the subsequent owners did, like removing a couple of 2X10 joists under the decks so he could install a cheap tin overhead garage door. But he did replace each joist with a couple of 2X4s
Luigi
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Doug Miller wrote:

I've seen people in the building trades do amazingly bad things, and they apparently knew they were doing it. Your wall builder is just an idiot. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to learn the correct way to build a wall, simple house wiring, basic plumbing and so on.
What I really detest is someone, like my kid, saying "I can't do that, I don't know how or I never did that" My answer is always one of two things, WTF, do you think I was born knowing how, or, damn, I never did it either, I guess we're screwed...
I guess if you are born into a family that pays someone else to do everything, do nothing but go to school all your life, have no friends in the trades or that actually work with their hands, your on your own, and a little initiative can get you in trouble.
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I have a theory that the internet is behind the pathetic trend toward helplessness. I wonder how many youngsters consider going to the library for a book to help them with a project they've never attempted. Does anyone even notice that there are shelves full of books as you walk into Home Depot or Lowe's?
Reading a book shouldn't necessarily be that much different from viewing the same information on a web page, but for some reason, I think it is. Maybe all the animated ads are too much of a distraction from the important content. I don't know....
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On 8/7/2010 10:42 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

If you've got a good library then it's a good resource. But it doesn't take much effort to exhaust most libraries. Searching my local library's catalog on "table saw" gets "Collected Poems of Constantine Cavafy", "Weeds, Season 4", "Under Town", "Boone: A Biography", and "Verses [of Ogden Nash] from 1929 On".
"Carpentry" found a bunch of childrens' books, a few on trim and finish carpentry, and four that might be decent--they've been out of print so long that Amazon doesn't even have a picture of them so I can't tell for sure. Their holdings on that topic are so meager that I'm tempted to cart some of the books that I'm done with down and donate them.
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We have several public libraries close enough that my daughter-units can bike easily enough to most of them. I've donated books to each over the years and it's not that they don't have an over-supply from willing patrons. It's the resources to bind them for shelving and use, catalog them, and then put them out so they get used.
Tangential thought: I watched one mom put a book back because it was "old and a hard-back" (I asked because I knew the book was a good read.) It didn't have a cover sexy enough to hold her daughter's attention. Gahdferbid the story do that...
If your local library has volunteer hours, find out what you can do to assist them in getting their back-logged books out on the shelves. If it's like our system, you'll have to go through _some_ training but once you're in you can make a difference.
The Ranger
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

BOOKS? In a LIBRARY? How quaint.
Mine has hand puppets, games, wall art, toys, videos, and a few other odds and ends.
They do have a spinner rack containing historical romances ("bodice rippers") with a sign: "Leave two, take two".
Libraries have abrogated their classical role as repositories of information. Most should be burnt to the ground and the ashes scattered. Not to worry, you won't be burning books!
To be even more topical, there are libraries in Berkeley that loans tools (power saws, pressure washers, ladders, post hole diggers, etc.). Buncha goddamn communists, you ask me.
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Those symbols of the industrial military complex should be banned immediately.
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If that's how things are where you live, it's because of YOU.
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On 8/7/2010 4:12 PM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Uh, how is what the libraries contain "because of HIM"?
In most towns the library has limited shelf space and tosses anything that doesn't move regularly. Are you saying that he should go regularly check out carpentry books that cover material that he has long since mastered just so the library will keep them?
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What he described is a dysfunctional library. An extreme. Libraries like that are reflections of their patrons' indifference.
That's quite different from what you said, which is a moderate and correct view.
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"Doug Miller" wrote

Snipped but LOL! Best part was no floor anchoring. That was the least fun part of finishing a basement but it's got to be done and done right.
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Yep. One of the best things anyone has invented for building recently, is the self tapping concrete screw. Trying to anchor anything in old concrete used to mean a gunpowder powered nail, but now, drill a hole and drive a screw. So easy. Also, if any of you don't yet have an impact driver (cordless) you need to get one. They are the stuff for driving hard to drive things like concrete screws, and deck type screws.
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On Aug 6, 9:36pm, snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

Apparently the "force fit and let friction take over" practice is not unique.
I just removed a bi-fold door in an old house apartment that my moved into.
The bi-fold doors were shorter than the original door opening - by a foot - so they install a new "header".
They screwed the header (an unpainted pine board) into the jamb on the dumb end of the bi-fold and forced the pivoting end into the opening.
I guess if you're going to do a job half-way, you might as well do that half wrong.
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Doug Miller wrote:

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When we were building a house in Texas the builder came every afternoon to check on the framers. He had a big red marker and would look down a wall then would put big X's on the studs that stood out. The framers would take these out and replace them with straighter ones.
We moved to Georgia and had planned on building again. We visited one builder at a job site and noticed that about 1 out of 3 studs were out of alignment. When I pointed it out to the builder he said, "the sheetrock will straighten them all out." Then we visited a finished house he had built. The walls looked like snake tracks. The sheetrock had not helped straighten them. We marked him off our list.
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 01:36:39 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

Perhaps because they know someone who is in the building trades and couldn't find his butt with 4 hands, a mirror, and a flashlight.
We lived in one house where the back wall of the carport was almost 2 inches out of plumb - I can only wonder how work done by "professionals" who didn't know wha sqaure, plumb, and level were got past the city building inspector.
I knew the wall wasn't plumb, but discovered exactly how bad it was when I enclosed the carport and started fo finish the walls. I ripped 2x4's diagonally to make the nailing surface vertical. My work was permitted and inspected; the inspector even asked whether I was an electrician by trade (no, but I learned the right way to do wiring - I was sleeping in that house....)
John
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On Aug 6, 6:36pm, snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

When I got around to changing the old kitchen into a bedroom after adding an addition, I found that the proud former owner had used scraps of sheetrock to do the walls. Pieces as small a 1' square! the price of mud he used probablywould have bought new sheetrock.
Harry K
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On 8/08/10 9:56 AM, Harry K wrote:

I don't even want to know how you hand a 1' square piece of drywall on studs with a 16" centre. yikes.
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wrote:

Old construction, the walls were the old wood ship lap. This must have been built way back. After some research I found out it had been _two_ shacks shoved together.
Harry K
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In typed:

Not all do; some post here instead.
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