$600 is low end if its a pillow top. But frankly, buying a mattress on
name alone is foolhardy, you may get lucky, you may not.
'The Mattress Factory' (all USA made) has pretty good prices. We just
bought a queen sized set from there yesterday and paid $650~ for
mattress, box springs, tax, delivery and disposal of the old set. That
is the only place we found locally that carry non-pillow top mattresses.
I prefer the old style that you can flip over every 6 months or so as
most pillow tops can't be flipped over. Pillow tops are generally much
thicker than non-pillow tops, more likely to take a set (permanent body
depression) and after all - thicker is no guarantee of more comfortable.
The set we have currently has all those bad things plus was so tall
that I had to replace the frame with a low rider because our feet
literally didn't touch the floor when sitting on it! The wife didn't
appreciate having to jump to get on the bed. :)
The most important part in my opinion:
A store that deals only in what you are looking for should carry a wide
selection and many more models on display to *try out*.
Now we're getting somewhere objective and measurable!
What I just want is good value. Good materials (within that value
cost restriction). And to buy at the right store (for value).
Non pillow top mattress?
Now we're getting somewhere.
What's the difference between a "pillow top" mattress, and a non
pillow top mattress?
Googling, I see there is "plush" and there is "pillow top".
I wonder what type the Costco one is?
The Costco one says it's "firm", which seems to be the third type.
But, since it can't be flipped, it might be "plush", which is a negative,
since you can't even out wear.
I agree with you. You get "twice" the wear out of a flippable mattress.
Maybe I won't get the Costco after all.
That means I have to quickly look elsewhere.
That's also bad. I want the mattress that fits the most bedsheets.
Seems to me that it's impossible to "try out" a mattress without
actually sleeping on it overnight. Otherwise, it's like kicking tires.
We bought our last set thru my then-boss's wife , who is/was a buyer for a
hotel/motel chain . It has labels for a four-way flip "this label up and at
the foot for jan-feb-mar" etc . Can't remember what we paid but got it at a
discount over retail . Look for a hotel supply place ...
By trying it out I mean sit and lay on it, your body will will tell you
if its comfortable.
No they probably wont let you sleep there - LMAO
If you can't turn the Costco model over its either a pillow top or cheap
You are buying a 'pig in a poke' the way you are going at it. But then
again, as you said, you don't use it so who cares. Just buy a blowup and
throw it on the floor, that way you can get rid of the useless furniture.
The one thing about the mattress business is that no matter
where you buy it or which brand you buy, you cannot compare
Every manufacturer that makes them puts different SKU- model
number, etc depending on who it shipped to. The Serta X at
Costco might be the same as the Serta Z at Sams. This has
been an industry standard for years. So if you like the
mattress and the price, buy it.
| I'm looking for an objective answer.
| I'm not looking for a subjective answer because they
| are essentially nearly worthless, due to the fact that
| everyone defines "their" comfort differently.
I don't think that's entirely true. Everyone has a
human body. People vary in their physical ailments,
but the mechanics of the body is the same for
I've had back trouble in the past (from a slight lordosis)
and need a firm mattress. I also find that with age my
bones increasingly get sore just from the weight of
lying on them. Yet I've been very happy with a medium-firm
foam rubber mattress, 4" thick. (The firm is too firm.)
I think it was something like $170 at a store that
specifically deals only in foam rubber. You can also
buy them online. Unfortunately, if there's a technical
designation for that exact foam I don't know what
it is. (There seems to be a distinction between
cheap, soft foam rubber and the kind of high-density
stuff used for mattresses.)
For the sake of anyone reading this who does care
about comfort and/or spinal health, I would just
mention that I think "memory foam" is a grossly
overpriced gimmick and actually rather uncomfortable.
In summer it's too hot because one's body sinks into
it. In general it's too hard. While it does mold to
one's body, to some extent, the result is only that
one's whole body feels equally pressed on. A good inner
spring mattress, by contrast, makes me feel like I'm
floating on top.
If money were no object I'd buy the best inner spring
mattress I could find. But I find the foam pad perfectly
adequate. So, for your needs, I'd say don't waste your
money on a mattress. Find someone who's throwing one
out. Failing that, buy foam. And if you decide later that
you do care about the feel of it, it can be easily adjusted
by adding a softer or firmer 1" or 2" pad on top of the 4"
You say a subjective comment is worthless and you make a dumb statement
about a memory foam mattress. We love ours.
We had a king for a few years but after my wife's surgery, we gave it
away and now have two twins side by side. They are adjustable
independently so I can put the head up for watching RV or what I am
doing right now. I'm typing on a netbook sitting on my belly, watching
TV and am very comfortable. My wife is napping.
Ours in NOT a Temperpedic, but a clone at about half the price. Foam is
a good insulator so you may find it a bit warmer, but in the summer, the
AC is on and very comfortable. In winter we keep the bedroom at 62 and
with a fleece blanket we sleep very well. We also have the Gel type that
is supposed to be a little cooler.
My suggestion is to try a mattress before you buy. Anyone that says a
particular type is no good is not well informed and most important, they
are not YOU so they have no idea what you like. No more than they can
choose your favorite flavor of ice cream for you.
| > needs, I'd say don't waste your
| >money on a mattress. Find someone who's throwing one
| ...and bring cooties into your home. Bed bugs, etc. It may also be a
| violation of local health codes, unless the mattress is sanitized
| before hand.
It actually is a violation where I live. There's been
a resurgence of bedbugs. I wasn't thinking of just
getting a mattress anywhere. I was thinking more
that he might have a friend with an extra. So many
people seem to have mattresses around that they
just haven't got around to throwing out.
On the other hand, he's so adamant that he
doesn't care about comfort, I'm thinking of offering
him a good deal on a sheet of plywood -- $100
off what he would have paid for the Sealy Posturepedic
-- for a limited time only. :)
| You say a subjective comment is worthless and you make a dumb statement
| about a memory foam mattress. We love ours.
The OP said a subjective comment is worthless.
I said I don't like memory foam. Just my opinion.
I find it uncomfortable. We have one here but I
prefer the regular foam. (I also don't have AC,
so that might make a difference.)
Indeed. Even the (discounted) selling price seems a bit much considering
that a (spring) mattress is a set of springs with padding top and bottom.
Not exactly high tech.
Personally, I don't like them. For years - decades - firmness was touted.
For something that you sleep on to be comfortable, it needs to conform to
the contours of the body; anyone who has ever dug a hip hole in the ground
Although they don't conform well, some of the most comfortable beds I have
slept on have been the cheapest of the cheap...a 4" or so mattress made of
cotton felt on a spring frame (interlaced steel straps attached to a steel
frame with tension helical springs). No firmness here! :)
Someone mentioned hammocks: I find them comfortable especially Mayan
No one mentioned straw: it is not comfortable.
Personally, I have been happy with water for the last 30 years.
| It's not that I don't "care" about comfort.
That is what you said starting out. You said you
sleep on the floor and are only getting a mattress
so that your guest won't feel they're putting you
out. Now you're redefining your request, asking for
the longest lasting, best-made, most comfortable
mattress. (Why else count springs, after all? And
why else care about whether you can flip it over?)
This is starting to sound to me like a case of the
rationalist and the pea. :) If you're not *too* picky
then foam should be the best deal. If you're looking
for top quality comfort it *will* cost you dearly.
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:38:15 -0600, Terry Coombs wrote:
That's probably true. I maybe should have opted for a double-sided
mattress, but the two places I tried (Costo + Mattress Discounters)
didn't sell any.
I have no idea where a hotel-supply store would be.
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:32:55 -0500, Norminn wrote:
Like any quality metric, the devil is in the details.
The problem with coil count is that you don't have the wire gauge
information. So, you can get a coil count of 704 with a thin wire
gauge, which might be equivalent to a coil count of, say, 500, with
a thick wire gauge.
So, coil count is only half the metric. They don't give you the
other half, so, it's (nearly) useless.
Anyway, mine is 704 coils for a Queen mattress. I have no idea
what the wire gauge is though.
Was that the mattress only? Or the combination with the box spring
as shown with the prospective Costco purchase?
Where is the "foam"? I presume it's "under" the cloth?
What else do they use if it's not foam, for the softness?
While there's nothing wrong with taking a car or a girlfriend
out for a test drive, you never can test a mattress just by
"kicking the tires". Essentially, you can't test a mattress
for comfort, at least not realistically, without actually
sleeping in it overnight or even for a few nights.
So I'd rather stick to objectives I can "measure" with
Howard Schornstein wrote, on Sat, 27 Dec 2014 18:15:59 -0600:
1. Mattress makers intentionally hinder comparison shopping
by selling the exact same product with unique names for
each individual store.
2. Higher coil counts are not a good indicator of quality.
Check the wire gauge.
More coils may simply use thinner gauge metal wire.
3. Pillowtop foam materials are cheap and a huge source of profit.
Mattress thickness is thus also not a good indicator of quality.
4. There is no evidence that box springs are necessary
or even helpful, other than to raise the height.
5. Firmer is not always better for your back.
You just don’t want it too soft or too firm for you.
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