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Dan C wrote:

It's easier to just go to Lowe's. They're almost right across the street.
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:41:46 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

The time I save is worth more than any discount that they can offer!
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If you save time. I tried them twice, two different stores because I thought I'd save time. In both cases, an item would not scan properly and I ended up having the clerk watching them fix things up. PITA. Our local K Mart took them out after 3 months.
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Edwin Pawlowski ( snipped-for-privacy@snet.net) said...

My peeve with the self serve checkouts are the people who think there is one line per station. Most stores that I have seen have them in pairs or sometimes fours and I will queue up for the group with the intent of using the next one available, and I let anyone coming after me that is my intent when it is clear they seem to be scoping out one in particular to wait for.
One thing that is a Home Depot peeve with these checkouts: never use them if you have any "bulk" items like screws/fasteners that you bag yourself and write down the sku number. These have to be entered by the clerk, and slows down the process making it slower than using a regular checkout.
Grocery stores I have seen with self-serve checkouts let you do this yourself, but as one HD associate put it, "they don't have contractors entering the code for galvanized when they are purchasing stainless".
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I was in WalMart yesterday. We got in line at the regular checkout and I watched to see who was last in line for the self checkout to see what the time difference was. What I saw was a couple of amateurs taking their time, chatting, looking over the merchandise and in general taking about 50% longer than the paid clerk. It was a toss up. I beat two of the self check lines, the other two beat me. One needed assistance and for all I know, they may still be there. Like most things in like, "it all depends"
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The Wal Mart here has a truly stupid thing going on. You know the way some cash registers make a little beep every time something is scanned, so the cashier knows it worked? In the store here, they've somehow run that sound through the PA system over the registers, at rather high volume. Some wanker must've thought it sounded festive or something. It's intensely annoying.
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:46:31 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

Hint: Check out at the sporting goods counter. There is never a line and they'll take anything. I tell my wife to buy me a box of ammo and check out there. ;-)
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I don't know about sporting goods, but at the electronics counters at Wal-Mart they seem more lilely to forget to deactivate the "criminal assumption" devices.
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:34:59 +0000, snipped-for-privacy@remove.daxack.ca.invalid (Calvin Henry-Cotnam) wrote:

Or items that may contain a "security device".

The last time I uses a self-checkout, it was for some LED holiday lights. It worked OK THAT time.
I go to Wal-Mart a lot (there's a store less than a mile from my house). I usually avoid the self-checkout. There's too many problems like those "criminal" devices (the ones they always call "inventory control", but still make it sound like you're being accused of something) and various unscannable items.
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On 12/10/05 11:13 am Frank Boettcher tossed the following ingredients into the ever-growing pot of cybersoup:

The DIY checkouts (whether at HD or elsewhere) are in fact one of my pet peeves: if the item won't scan, there's no way for me to punch in the UPC. And when I've ripped the UPC code label off a piece of lumber because I can't get the lumber+label into the scanner's line of sight, the stupid high-tech-but-brain-dead device keeps telling me to "Place the item in the bag", as though the only thing anybpody is going to buy is packages of nails.
Our two closest HD stores have pretty much eliminated checkers and now rely on DIY checkouts. But fortunately there is a Lowe's much closer, and a Menard's, and an old-fashioned lumber yard/sawmill.
I also object to DIY checkouts because they are designed to put even more people out of work. Checkout jobs aren't something that can be exported to India or Mexico or China, so instead we'll replace them by machines made in India or Mexico or China.
Decades ago they told us that automation and computerization would mean a greatly reduced working week, but what has happened is that maybe the average working week has declined, but with people in "third-world" countries working well over 40 hrs a week and many of the formerly-employed in the West working ZERO hours a week. Aren't averages wonderful?
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Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

Complaints about not enough checkers. Complaints about mechanical check-out. Has it occurred to anyone that both complaints can be eliminated by just stealing the stuff.

Nobody ever said that. They said productivity would go up, not that hours would go down.

Sigh. Unemployment in the US, even WITH the Katrina displacements, is at or below 5% (13% in France, 10% in Germany). Productivity is up. GDP is WAY up (4+% compared to 1.1% in Germany). Tax receipts to all levels of government are through the roof.
Meanwhile, small children in Bangladesh are learning the wonders of the capitalist system. Win-win all around.
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Yes, they did. I recall reading about it many years ago. Some economists were predicting the four day work week. Here I am, 50 years later still working 5 days a week and I'm pissed off about it!
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

And you BELIEVED an economist?
Remember, economists are those people who lack the charisma to be accountants.
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Too complex to argue the errors here. Book length post required.

Not a win-win all around. For the US resident who considers work pain the current system is a disaster. For the worker who doesn't think a plasma TV, a GPS device in his car, a super-duper cell phone/camera, 10bps of porn a second, 100 channels of video garbage, etc etc to be necessities of life it's a disaster.
The Bangladeshi (some anyway) is making out like a bandit. Effectively we're transferring our accumulated wealth to them and to the other third-world countries. Eventually we'll be on the same living standard.
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snipped-for-privacy@NotRealISP.gov wrote:

Hopefully.
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snipped-for-privacy@NotRealISP.gov wrote:

Numbers don't lie. Go ahead - correct the numbers if you have better ones.

Wow! How so? If one doesn't want or need 100 channels of porn, etc., one could get by quite nicely, I would think, on the largess of society. For example, I've got two who live in a field behind my house. They "solicit" at a nearby busy intersection (it's nice to live close to your place of employment), "working" whenever they want. They have, evidently, all the comforts they need, including a dog house for their two animals.

Iz okay. We create, usually, much more wealth than we transfer. If I buy six pair of Sri Lankan-made socks at Target for a dollar, I've created five dollars worth of wealth (assuming US made socks cost $6.00) of which maybe twenty cents gets transferred to Arthur Clarke's kingdom.
There are those (I'm one) who can demonstrate that wealth can be created or, in the case of most government interventions in the general marketplace, destroyed. Those who harken to more socialistic models of economics believe that the amount of wealth is fixed and any movement thereof must involve a win-lose transaction.
As I said earlier, I'm for win-win scenarios.
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It's not the numbers that are incorrect, it's what you intend that they imply.

Huh?
The plasma TV etc are examples of demand for the sake of demand. Running in place on the treadmill. Apart from some very low paying jobs, try getting your employer to allow you to work 30 hours a week instead of 40 for 3/4 of the wages/salary. Lots of luck; it's not going to happen.

You've lost me again. In the transaction you describe the US worker displaced by your purchase from Sri Lanka has lost (potentially) $5. There's no creation of wealth here.

They're not making any more land, or raw materials under it or on it.

Indeed.
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snipped-for-privacy@NotRealISP.gov says...
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My employer has just such a program. It's most often used by young mothers so they can stay at home with their children but it's also sold as a program for older employees so they can test-drive retirement.
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Well, yeah... That's what "Free Trade" MEANS.
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a race to the bottom
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