Help with security

No lock is impenetrable, sure you can drill and saw and hammer, but its hardened brass, not HD quality stuff, but it cant be picked or bumped and has a real long hard bolt. To get past one takes alot of time.

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ransley
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Bright motion lights, security stickers from a real company, not those fake ones, screwed shut windows and reinforced doors, locks, lock recess, door plates help. Im sure its at night, so a few always on bright lights and many motion sensors have done the trick for me in vacant properties, another idea is buy a junk car and park it in your lot, just wash it and it looks like someone lives there. Lights inside on timers, use 9 w cfls, you can get 4 9w HD soft white cfls for only

2 dollars that wont cost but a few busks a month to run. Make it look lived in, a cheap radio on a rock station that goes on and off on a timer is a great idea, put it near the door. I do all this and my electric bill is 3-4 dollars a month on a vacant place. Point is everyone knows nobody lives there, change their perceprion to not knowing whats going on, and you have stopped 95% of the risk. 5 lights a radio all on timers might cost you 50$, a bump proof lock 120$, outdoor motion lights about 20$ a light. X10 has motion lights with RF remote control, you can have a driveway lights sensot turn on a radio and many lights inside the house so it looks to a burglar he has been spotted and the home owner is turning on lights as he aproaches, or ring an interior and exterior chime, or contact your home PC, but then you need a PC in the house. I have cameras outside hidden in motion lights with IR Leds that record to a cassette i set when I leave. But a PC with big HD can make monitoring real easy X10 works and is infinatly expandable. But the car, radio, bump proof locks are all mandatory in these days to give a burglar dought. Security is about deception, scaring the burglar and hardening of areas. I find you need all areas covered inside and out. Then pay a neighbor to do a walk by once a week.
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ransley

You make some good points. The roof is closed, but has a large overhang over the side of the house. The vented siding which closes the eaves are only snapped in place. Although the house is two stories tall, there is a large deck on the second floor which would allow for entry through the eaves and into the attic. Then all it takes is someone with a strong hand to lift the hatch and gain entry to the house.

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camryguy

Medeco, can't be bumped or picked ? LOL... If you know what you are doing you can read the lock with a variety of tools called 'Medecoders', and create your own bump key for that lock based on the angles used on the key cuts...

Medeco can also be picked, it just takes quite a bit longer to gain entry past a Medeco lock that it does an ordinary one...

Medeco locks are *MUCH* harder to drill than an ordinary lock as they are equipped with half-moon anti-drill plates inside front of the shell where the plug meets the shell and hardened anti-drill pins further back in the cylinder which will break your drill bit... This applies only to the rim and mortise cylinder type locks...

However, someone who really knows what they are doing can get past a Medeco lock cylinder with no problem...

In this situation it is more important for the OP to install an alarm system than it is for him to waste $300 per opening on Medeco locks only to find that next time the vandals have chosen to break in by means of smashing a window because of the new fancy locks installed on all the doors...

~~ Evan

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Evan

Medico can be picked? by who, not my locksmith who is a pro. And how do you "get by " one. And in what amount of time.

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ransley

Right (and I had the web site up looking at it)

Better than my spelling, for sure.

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krw

The last one is easy. Break the window and crawl in.

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krw

Hey there,

I'm the inventor of the Medecoder tool(s) that was mentioned above. If you're interested in how they work, I've written up a page about it and how the company responded:

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I have met many many locksmiths that don't believe it until I pick one in front of them. I was also able to use the tool to open a classic, biaxial, and m3 in front of Medeco's director of research (he drove to my apartment). The good news is that the meeting we had led to them fixing the problem. Thus, the brand new Medecos pinned at the factory (or using new pin kits) are only slightly vulnerable to the attack. For picking times on the vulnerable locks (almost all of them still), I average around 2-5 minutes. Lemme know if you got any questions :-)

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jkthecjer

Question: Can you change the background (White) and the text (Black) on that web site?

Just and observation It makes me not want to read it with my aging eyes.

Thanks.

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Oren

I found this little trick that can help (for any site with a bad color scheme like mine). Using the firefox browser, goto Tools->Options-

choose their own colors...". This will make any website appear in normal coloring. I tried to find a similar option in internet explorer, but failed; I'm sure there is a similar way to do it, though. So even if you decide not to check out that page, you now have a trick for other ugly web pages out there :-)

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jkthecjer

That worked in Firefox. Thanks.

Another site I've visited (blackviper.com) has a tab on his page, so the reader can change it right on site by a click. No wait. He changed it to white/black. The buttons are still there but seem to be disabled.

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Oren

Correct myself :-/

The black/white buttons work in IE and is disabled in Firefox.

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Oren

It has been done a few times before...

Check out U.S. Patent # 3,987,654 which was filed on Oct. 21, 1974 and issued on Oct. 26, 1976...

~~ Evan

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Evan

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Yes it has and I do have the full backstory on the Lock Technology tool you referenced there. The difference is that mine actually allows the sidebar to be picked (or decoded) instead of just decoded. It can also be built with 10 bucks and trip to ace hardware. But yep, the idea of exploiting open sidebar grooves has been around since the early days of Medeco and is certainly not new. Its a pity that it took this long to get them closed off again. I only used the word "inventor" because you used the word "Medecoder" which is directly linked to my reimplementation of the attack and not to earlier tools.

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jkthecjer

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What is better then Medico. Picking one if possible isnt as I see it knowledge to many, and not in you average amature thiefs timeframe or ability. They want quick entry , nit working on door for 5-15 minutes, at that point the would just kick it in instead

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ransley

Bi-Lock or Abloy are good quality locks which are much more difficult to pick... They are also much more difficult to obtain copies of your keys and if you lose your credential issued at the time you purchase the lock, you MUST have the lock rekeyed to a new combination and have new keys and a new credential issued... NO EXCEPTIONS...

Where are you located ? Locksmiths in the rural areas don't either install or encounter Medeco locks very often so therefore they are much less familiar with them and have never given picking them serious thought, yet the locksmiths in cities and suburbs know them thoroughly and are very adept at picking them, since picking them takes less time and costs the customer less money than destructive removal (drilling)...

As for amateur thieves, such thieves might use a bump key but that is highly doubtful... Much more common to see a sledgehammer or big pry bar used instead... Then you would see the glass/window breakage being the next most common method of gaining entry...

If you think that someone spending 5 to 15 minutes to gain entry to a building with the intent to burglarize it, then you don't have much imagination or common sense... It all depends on what is inside and how much it would be worth to steal... If you think that 15 minutes is too much time to spend picking a lock to enter without leaving obvious damage, then you would be shocked that some specialist burglars spend more than an hour methodically breaching very expensive safes... It all comes down to whether the reward (rich stuff kept in the house or the safe) is greater than the risk (getting caught)... Remember most burglars are caught when they are attempting to liquidate the stolen property for cash, not while they are in the middle of the actual breaking and entering or stealing...

~~ Evan

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Evan

Medeco is, by far, the most popular high-sec lock available in the US. You might end up being stuck with them, but Mul-T-Lock is fairly popular as well (though a bit easier to pick..except the brand-new MT5). As Evan said, Bilock and Abloy are very good as well (Abloy Protec especially). Any of these is going to be just fine for commercial or residential use. Burglars generally aren't lockpickers, but like he said; its about risk analysis. And the few that are; even fewer of them are on this level. For the most part, the only folks opening these things are the obsessed hobbyists like me, government agencies, and a handful of locksmiths (most of which fall into the other two categories as well). In most cases, covert/surreptitious entry is one of the last things folks should be worried about in regard to physical security. Getting a locksmith to properly install any of the above locks puts you way beyond most targets in terms of picking resistance.

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jkthecjer

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