Ive researched many professionally made Fiberglass/Concrete/Metal
underground storm shelters but the cost is prohibitive..usually well
over $3500.00 . Id like to sink some kind of a waterproof box that
would fit one adult ... approx. 3 feet into the ground , located in
the corner of my garage which currently is very sandy soil. The box
would need to have a removable/swing down lid with the top 6" of the
box above ground level. The top would need to be well secured from
within the box once the person is inside. To ensure it remains water
proof, i would line the hole with a double layer of thick plastic
Ive tried doing a google search under 'Fiberglass Boxes' and 'Cargo
Boxes' and cannot find something suitable. I have considered a thick
fiberglass auto cargo carrier if i could find one 6' long by 3'
wide . Do you have any idea what I could use as a low cost
solution ? Looking to get away with spending no more than a few
hundred dollars at most. Thanks much.
Actually, an above ground shelter that can withstand a tornado is
generally a *lot* more expensive to build than an underground one. In
fact, the FEMA "taking shelter from the storm" publication shows by far
the cheapest and simplest which is a length of large diameter drain pipe
buried vertically in the ground with a ladder and a cover. My plan is to
bury a 20' cargo container ($1,500 or so), and weld a hatch and some
stairs into it.
It can be more expensive, but it does not have to be. Depends on what you
want for amenities and size. I'd rather be above ground after the storm
than below too. How long do you want to stay in that drain pipe with the
wife, kids and dog?
It rather go this route http://www.polysteel.com/saferooms2.htm
Well, I have no wife, kids or dog, just me and the cat, and as I noted,
my tornado bunker is going to be a 20' cargo container, which is 20' x
8' x 8'. I expect to have a desk, cot, power, network, etc. in said
bunker for proactive retreats under tornado watches to eliminate made
dashes at 1am.
I considered building a combination pantry / safe room next to my
kitchen where I have space, however it would cost substantially more
than my cargo container design, and that is 100% DIY for either.
You wrote this in another post:
"I have plans on the drawing board for something similar where I'll
in my truck camper and keep a pretty complete metalworking shop in my
24' enclosed trailer when I go into "hermit mode" on some property I
as global civilization implodes due to the economic tidy bowl swirl."
Why not make that enclosed trailer out of a container and keep it on
the wheels? Build a bermed culvert, lined with whatever, and just
roll the thing in and tie it down. Think of it as a safe on wheels.
And lighten up a bit...life's too short.
I wouldn't worry about it. Tornadoes cause about 80 deaths a year in the US.
There are 465,000 deaths from tobacco use, 365,000 deaths from poor diet and
inactivity, 85,000 from alcohol, 26,000 from motor vehicle accidents, 21,000
homicides, and 7,600 deaths from aspirin. There are 365 deaths a year from bath
tubs (drowning and falls). -- Doug
I'd recast that that _most_ are killed due to lack of paying attention
Some are missed entirely, of course, and some are quite short time but
most have adequate warning if are prepared and respond.
The "ignore the danger" thought is indicative of not living in a
high-risk area and been through one or cleaned up after nearby one.
I live in Dallas, Texas, so it is medium high risk. I've carried out bodies
There are so many ways to get killed. One of them is guaranteed to get me. If
I worried about all the low probability risks, I'd be to busy to enjoy the time
Tornados are a good example of how badly people think about risk. Like plane
crashes, they are spectacular events that are relatively rare, so they get lots
of press coverage. So people tend to thing of them as much riskier than they
are. The real high risks are those things that steadily and quietly kill some
people here and some there every day, such as heart attacks and cancer.
Don't smoke, eat well. Wear seat belts. Watch your weight and blood pressure.
I'd guess it is far more cost effective to invest in an automatic defibrillator
than a tornado shelter.
Actually, fire insurance is pretty cheap for what you are insuring because the
odds of collecting are low. Besides, it is required by mortgage companies and
is bundled with homeowner's insurance, which, at least for me, has paid off
But that's not my point. If you are going to spend money reducing your risk of
death, you should spend on the high risks, not the low ones. The risk of death
from heart attacks is about 5000 times that of tornadoes.
The problem is you are comparing the proverbial apples and oranges.
Heart attacks are a risk for the entire country, while tornadoes, while
technically possible anywhere, are primarily a risk in tornado alley.
Find the population of tornado alley and adjust your heart attack
numbers to that population and then you might have a valid comparison.
Well, there are clusters for other risks, too. I agree tornado risks are higher
in "tornado alley". But if as little as 10% of the population lives in tornado
alley and all the tornados are in tornado alley, then heart attacks are still
500 times more likely than tornados.
Here http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr53/nvsr53_05acc.pdf is the National
Vital Statistics Report on Deaths in 2002. It includes numbers of deaths caused
by everything from malignant neoplasms (557,271) to accidental discharge of a
firearm (762). Tornados do not even make the list.
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:47:43 -0500, Douglas Johnson
I might argue with your numbers for tobacco and diet but. . .
As long as you're scaring folks-I just saw this number last week and
it blew my mind- 195,000 deaths from medical errors in hospitals.
That would make it the #3 cause of death on the CDC's list for 2005-
the latest I could find-
[behind Heart disease @652K & cancer @559K, but ahead of Stroke at a
Hell no, I'll rent a fairly large excavator (~200 size) for a weekend to
handle both tasks. A 20' container is only about 5,000#, well within the
lifting capacity of that size excavator. I've got both United Rentals
and Nations Rent within 15 miles so delivery/pickup costs won't be too
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