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aw, gee. guess he forgot that OTHER countries have minorities
http://www.stefanwolff.com/files/min-eu.pdf
but they dont have a homicide rate anywhere near ours
oh. they were counting on the racist argument.
sorry
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you're glossing over the data & using hyperbole instead of facts
you claim.........

The US murder rate is 5 per 100,000. How could other countries have rates lower by "orders of magnitude"?
US 5.00 S. Korea 2.18 New Zealand 2.00 Canada 1.81 France 1.60 UK 1.28 Australia 1.20 Switzerland 1.01 Japan .44
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ah. you claim it's the darkies who commit murder
except other nations have large minority populations with SIGNIFICANLY less murder than we have.

oh you can't count. that's the problem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
US 7.07
Switzerland 0.58
Canada 0.76
Norway 0.3
those are ORDER OF MAGNITUDE diffrerences
dont they teach what that means in right wing schools? or does rush not educate you in such matter
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Why are you cherry picking the data? Dead is dead. I don't understand why you focus on the implement of murder. People who want to kill people will use whatever means available.
fyi the murder rates below span merely a single order of magnitude (not orders of magnitudes)
even your cherry picked data (& pretty much not entirely applicatble) is only showing a factor of ~20.
Murder rate matters
The US murder rate is 5 per 100,000. How could other countries have rates lower by "orders of magnitude"? US 5.00 S. Korea 2.18 New Zealand 2.00 Canada 1.81 France 1.60 UK 1.28 Australia 1.20 Switzerland 1.01 Japan .44
cheers Bob
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 17:32:40 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"

and few countries enshrine killing in their constitutions as you guys seem to think we do
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You do like to spew hyberbole don't you. Freedom from aggression is enshrined in the Constitution.
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On Jan 10, 9:47pm, "Stormin Mormon"

We've noticed. :)~
As far as guns bringing down the murder rate, I don't think it's as simple as that. There was one murder in my hometown (population around 9,000) in something like the past forty years. The woman was shot by, of course, her husband. I now live one town over and I can honestly say I don't know who the closest person that owns a gun is. I wouldn't be surprised if it were ten blocks away, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were next door. It's not an issue and not a concern. I'm far more concerned about someone being killed with a bottle and a car than a gun. YMMV.
R
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One just yesterday in Miami. Dude was out doing some surveying in prep for starting a Habitat for Humanity house. Three dudes came up and demanded he give over his stuff and wallet. Pulled a gun, shot one of them and the rest took off. (No collateral damage, either).
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On Jan 10, 9:47pm, "Stormin Mormon"

If everybody at that event on Saturday had a gun they would still be shooting it out and we would have many many more dead.
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On 1/11/2011 7:18 AM, snipped-for-privacy@juno.com wrote:

The assassin would have been dead.
TDD
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:27:21 -0600, The Daring Dufas

and yet in the most heavily armed nation in the world
we have the most murders of any industrialized country.
gee. who coulda guessed.
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Do you make up your stats?
Crime Statistics > Murders (per capita) (by country
Rank     Country     Rate #     1     Colombia:    0.617847 per 1,000 people #     2     South Africa:    0.496008 per 1,000 people #     3     Jamaica:    0.324196 per 1,000 people #     4     Venezuela:    0.316138 per 1,000 people #     5     Russia:    0.201534 per 1,000 people #     6     Mexico:    0.130213 per 1,000 people #     7     Estonia:    0.107277 per 1,000 people #     8     Latvia:    0.10393 per 1,000 people #     9     Lithuania:    0.102863 per 1,000 people #     10     Belarus:    0.0983495 per 1,000 people #     11     Ukraine:    0.094006 per 1,000 people #     12     Papua New Guinea:    0.0838593 per 1,000 people #     13     Kyrgyzstan:    0.0802565 per 1,000 people #     14     Thailand:    0.0800798 per 1,000 people #     15     Moldova:    0.0781145 per 1,000 people #     16     Zimbabwe:    0.0749938 per 1,000 people #     17     Seychelles:    0.0739025 per 1,000 people #     18     Zambia:    0.070769 per 1,000 people #     19     Costa Rica:    0.061006 per 1,000 people #     20     Poland:    0.0562789 per 1,000 people #     21     Georgia:    0.0511011 per 1,000 people #     22     Uruguay:    0.045082 per 1,000 people #     23     Bulgaria:    0.0445638 per 1,000 people #     24     United States:    0.042802 per 1,000 people #     25     Armenia:    0.0425746 per 1,000 people #     26     India:    0.0344083 per 1,000 people #     27     Yemen:    0.0336276 per 1,000 people #     28     Dominica:    0.0289733 per 1,000 people #     29     Azerbaijan:    0.0285642 per 1,000 people #     30     Finland:    0.0283362 per 1,000 people #     31     Slovakia:    0.0263303 per 1,000 people #     32     Romania:    0.0250784 per 1,000 people #     33     Portugal:    0.0233769 per 1,000 people
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If it's not one thing, it's another
suicide rates by country per 100,00
Belarus    36.8 Lithuania    31.85 Russia    31.7 Sri Lanka    30.7 Kazakhstan    27.6 Hungary    26.75 Japan    24.75 Ukraine    23.95 Guyana    22.7    3 Korea, North    21.85 Slovenia    21.7    3 Estonia    21.4    5 Latvia    20.9 Serbia    19.75 Finland    18.95 Belgium    18.35 Croatia    18.3    2 Switzerland 17.6 France    17.25 Uruguay    16.15 Moldova    16.15 Poland    15.6    2 Austria    15.6    2 Hong Kong 15.4 Suriname 14.35 China    13.9    1 Czech Republic    13.5 Sweden    13.2 Bulgaria    13.2 Slovakia    12.85 New Zealand 12.6 Cuba    12.25 Trinidad and Tobago    12.2 Germany    11.95 Denmark    11.95    1 Bosnia and Herzegovina    11.8    2 Iceland    11.75 Portugal    11.7 Romania 11.45 Norway    11.4 Canada    11.35 United States 11.1 Luxembourg    11.0 India    10.65 Ireland    10.6 Australia    10.55 Mauritius 10.4 Chile    10.4 Singapore 10.3 Kyrgyzstan 9.05 Turkmenistan 8.65 Netherlands    8.3 Argentina    8.05 Zimbabwe    7.90 Thailand     7.9 Spain    7.9 Costa Rica    7.85 Saint Lucia    7.7 Puerto Rico    7.6 Belize    7.5 Nicaragua    7.2 El Salvador    6.95 Ecuador    6.8    9.1 Macedonia    6.75 United Kingdom    6.45 Malta    6.4 Italy     6.35 Israel    6    8.7    3.3    2005 Grenada     5.85 Panama     5.6 Colombia    4.95 Uzbekistan    4.65 Brazil    4.6 Seychelles     4.55 Paraguay    4.1 Mexico     4.05 Albania    4.0 Venezuela     3.75 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines     3.65 Greece     3.55 Bahrain    2.7 Tajikistan    2.6 Cyprus    2.5 Armenia     2.45 Guatemala     2.35 Georgia    2.25    3.4    1.1    2001 Philippines    2.1    2.5    1.7    1993
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you let me know when columbia becomes a 1st world country, OK?
the US has the highest gun homicide rate BY FAR of any industrialized country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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On 1/11/2011 8:57 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Think War On Drugs. Thanks to those goofy politicians who came up with the silly War On Drugs, we have developed a high level of violent crime in the U.S. High profits and draconian penalties for any behavior will often breed violence. Idiots didn't learn from Prohibition.
TDD
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snipped-for-privacy@juno.com wrote:

Think so?
This objection has been voiced many times - but remains unproven.
There has not been one recorded case (that I know of) where anyone but the do-bad was shot by a crowd containing lawful weapon carriers.
"But," you might say, "when the cops arrive (some minutes later), how are they to know who the bad guy is if several people are standing around with guns?"
That's easy. The bad guy is the one on the ground with multiple bullet holes in him.
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OTOH, I would like to know exactly how many guns WERE there. But, we'll never know, will we? I'll bet the number would be surprising.
Steve
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bpuharic wrote:

I suggest that the 1st Amendment causes more carnage. If you consult your copy of the Constitution, you'll find in the 1st Amendment: * Freedom of a religious speaker to say anything he pleases * Freedom of a speaker to incite a crowd * Freedom of someone with a printing press (or blog) to exercise the masses
I suggest that any one of these has more potential for violence than the right to bear arms.
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wrote:

really? people are killed by harsh words?

and yet your suggestion is wrong. go figure
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:05:02 -0600, " snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

which completely ignores the issue....typical knee jerk reaction of a reactionary
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