On Nov 4, 8:24�am, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
flakey operation, freezes lock ups etc.
a buddy who repairs computers for a living asks this question first.
i found this out after i had issues and his advice checked the outlet
ground, which wasnt solid, after a earler receptable replacement
this all 5 years ago, i dont know about today
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:56:43 -0800 (PST), " email@example.com"
Most "computer repairmen" are not really electronic techs. They are
amateur parts changers who turned a hobby into a job. That is evident
in your friend's diagnosis. There is no scientific basis for the claim
that personal computers need a ground to operate properly. That has
been true since the inception of personal computers. A good ground is
a good idea, but not to make the computer free from "static issues" or
to enhance reliability.
You don't need a ground to avoid "static issues" either.
Static electricity is when two objects are at different electrical potentials.
Connect them together and there is a brief electrical current until they
are at equal potentials.
When installing static sensative devices into a computer, one doesn't need
to be grounded. One simply needs to be at the same static potential as
the equipment. For example, after removing a memory module from its
antistatic wrapping, hold it in one hand, with the other touch the computer's
case. Module, human, and computer are now all at the same static potential
and there will not be a equipment damaging current flow when the device is
I live in bone dry phoenix arizona and have to do something like this every time
I kiss my wife goodbye before going to work. I touch her hand first so the
static zap is there instead of at the kiss.
all will work perfectly without a ground. keep trying.
The ground is there for equipment operation. It's there to safeguard the human
during a electrical fault (110 breaks loose, touches the case; transformer
isolation breaks down, etc.)
My experience too, 2 buyers, 2 home inspections........
first inspector noted no GFCI on garage sump pump. so installed a
GFCI, but sale fell thru.
new buyer inspector number 2. noted there SHOULDNT BE A GFCI ON SUMP
home inspection industry is a joke. 2nd inspector wrote up gas valve
on BRAND NEW water heater. had valve replaced, plumber said it was
home inspectors sometimes make up things to justify their fee.
and yes some issues will get buyer a denial of homeowners insurance,
and thus sale is impossible........
cracked trip hazard sidewalks, lack of railings. FHA has even more
re: "Damn, you're a cheapskate."
Didja miss the part where the OP said:
"I'm trying to figure if it's easier to just offer some additional
money at settlement and let them have the work done themselves."
Apparently, it's not about the money.
As others have said, putting the GFCI's in the bathrooms would be a
great goodwill gesture. It might even go a long way to letting you
slide on the other "it would nice it they were done" items. A little
give and take.
As far as replacing the 2 prong outlet in the upstairs bathroom, as
long as there is room in the box (GFCI receptacles take up a bit more
room) it's an easy swap.
As far as the one built into the medicine cupboard, you might be able
to find a outlet upstream of that one where you could put the GFCI.
Either that or you could replace the breaker for that room with a GFCI
breaker. It's would be a bit more expensive, but not as expensive as
losing the sale. That might also work for the upstairs bathroom if the
box is too small.
Yeah, there might be nuisance trips depending on what else the breaker
controls, but they won't be a nuisance to *you* if you get my drift.
We've bought & sold a number of homes over the past 20 years. I
typically dont bother with a home inspection & we adjust the offering
$'s to our " we'll take as is" .
When we've sold, of course the buyer has an inspection & the resulting
laundry list of "defects", cuz that's how inspectors jsutify their
cost....typically a bunch of nit picks.
I go through the list & figure how much each itme would be for me to
fix or cost to hire a fix. I come up with a number (usually a combo
fix plan) to do them all. We've used the same realtor in all our
sales and the conversation goes like this "Jayne, how many $'s to make
the list go away. I can do them all for $3000. She talks to the
other realtor, the price is adjusted & the list goes away.
In your case, as others have suggested, just install a GFI yourself &
IMO, in this sales environment, you dont want to blow a sale for a few
simple, inexpensive fixes.
No, it is not required. Futhermore, even having an outlet isnt required (I
have none in the bathrooms).
I'd check estimates, then if the list is too long offer what portion you are
willing to cover, and if they want it all, tell them how much the house
price increased. based on estimates. for the work.
Look, houses sell all the time 'as is'.
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