Generator "cross over" switch installation costs

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I know very little about this topic, including what the correct terminology is. And, this is mostly just a curiosity question on my part.
But, I am curious as to what it roughly might cost for a typical gas station to have an electrician install a mechanism where if the power goes out in the neighborhood, a portable gas generator could be plugged in to the electrical system to power the station and keep the lights and cash registers on and pump gas to the public. I am not that interested in the cost of the actual generators for this purpose -- just the cost to have the electrical switch-over circuits installed and ready to be used if needed.
Why? -- because I am often amazed when there is a hurricane or other natural disaster that knocks the power out in a region, and thousands of people need gas to evacuate, plus emergency services vehicles need gas to operate during the disaster -- but the gas stations with tens of thousands of gallons of gas stored underground are all closed because they have no power to pump the gas that they have.
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On 7/15/2013 3:55 PM, TomR wrote:

I'm amazed that some facilities in areas prone to storm surges or flooding place their emergency generators at or below grade. Storm hits, storage area, crawl space, or basement fills with water, and goodbye generator. Maybe that's what happens in a lot of cases with these gas stations. It happened with hospitals in New Orleans during Katrina.
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They can range from simple metal plates that are installed so you can not have the main breaker on while the breaker for the generator is on, to a seperate transfer panel.
The cost can be from less than $ 100 to $ 500 for the devices not counting the labor to install them. I wold guess the electrician would not charge more than $ 500 to $ 1500 for the more complicated systems. Probably less than $ 100 or minimum service call to install the interlock plate thing.
Here is a link to the interlock plate so you can see how simple it is. Almost anyone can install them.
http://www.interlockkit.com/
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Thanks. I don't know what the typical gas station electric service setup would be -- meaning how many amps, whether single phase or 3-phase, etc.
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Depending on the size of the station ( just gas, or a full conviencience store) it could be a small ammount to just run a couple of pumps. Also they may want to go to just cash as many pumps will take a credit card and that service may be out during emergencies.
If I was going to do it, I would put 2 or 3 pumps on a cash only system and just power up the pumps, a few lights and only the bare minimum to run the station.
As someone else mentioned there may be problems with raising the prices during emergencies, but I would think they should make it a law they can go up 10 or 20 percent to pay for the extra cost to run the generators.
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With all the electronic equipment, I'm guessing that most stations would be leery of generator power. Unless perhaps it was a hard wired, built in Generac. I think it would be wise to have a mechanical old style pump or two on the islands, for hurricanes. Just spin the dials, and charge a nice round five bucks a galon, cash only, until the fuel runs out. . Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . .

Thanks. I don't know what the typical gas station electric service setup would be -- meaning how many amps, whether single phase or 3-phase, etc.
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I read that some states either have or are trying to pass laws that some stations must have generators. They were targeting the ones on main evacuation routes.
The problem that I see is that many of the stations are operated by small dealers and to spend $5000 to $10,000 for generation does not have a payback. It could if they were allowed to jack the price a buck when operating from generators.
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

They could increase the price some while on generator. Most states price gouging laws limit the increase rather than preventing any increase.
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And, this is the result of the government interfering in commerce. If the gas stations could charge a free market price for fuel during hurricanes, they would have incentive to put in generators. But no, and so everyone runs out of gas, and pushes the car to the side of the road. Thank you, government, for making a disaster even worse than it needed to be. . Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . .
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

They could increase the price some while on generator. Most states price gouging laws limit the increase rather than preventing any increase.
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On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:13:18 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:

they would have incentive to put in generators. But no, and so everyone run s out of gas, and pushes the car to the side of the road. Thank you, govern ment, for making a disaster even worse than it needed to be.

You're absolutely right. Why would anyone load up a truck with generators and drive from Iowa to NJ to sell them, if they can't charge whatever they want for them? And it brings in more supply. If you encouraged that, more people would do it, there would be more coming in, more vendors to choose from, and the price would come down. Would I load up a truck and drive to a state where I thought I might be arrested? Hell no.
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On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:37:20 AM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

Because, if you were the victim of a disaster and "needed" a generator, and the only place to get one was off the back of a truck at 2-5 times the retail price, you'd be MAD AS HELL.
As soon as the storm subsided, you'd be waging a campaign to convince your politicians to make an anti-gouging law ASAP.
I don't care what side you think you belong to. It's not your fault that you weren't prepared. It's the generator seller's fault for taking advantage of your situation and price gouging. "There ought to be a law!" you'll cry.
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What a liberal! So, it's not your fault you live in hurricane country, and don't have a generator and stored gasoline? Where does it all end? Is the government going to pay my bills, wipe my nose, and raise everyone's children?
Man, what a frieking total socialist liberal. Wish you'd pack up and go home to your socialist utopia. I prefer to live in a limited government Constitutional Republic. . Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . .
Because, if you were the victim of a disaster and "needed" a generator, and the only place to get one was off the back of a truck at 2-5 times the retail price, you'd be MAD AS HELL.
As soon as the storm subsided, you'd be waging a campaign to convince your politicians to make an anti-gouging law ASAP.
I don't care what side you think you belong to. It's not your fault that you weren't prepared. It's the generator seller's fault for taking advantage of your situation and price gouging. "There ought to be a law!" you'll cry.
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On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:20:30 PM UTC-4, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

No I wouldn't.

No I wouldn't. It's the misguided libs who don't understand economics and want more and more laws.

See above.
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The government which libs love so much, has many pages of emergency prep information. Libs start off by ignoring the guidance of their very own government. And then insist they will set the terms of their own rescue. What a bunch of maroons.
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2-5 times the retail price, you'd be MAD AS HELL.

No I wouldn't.

No I wouldn't. It's the misguided libs who don't understand economics and want more and more laws.

advantage of your situation and price gouging. "There ought to be a law!" you'll cry.
See above.
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I wonder if any libs are prepared, before the storm? Naah, never mind. Silly question. . Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . .

2-5 times the retail price, you'd be MAD AS HELL.

No I wouldn't.

No I wouldn't. It's the misguided libs who don't understand economics and want more and more laws.

advantage of your situation and price gouging. "There ought to be a law!" you'll cry.
See above.
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On 7/16/2013 1:20 PM, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

huh? there really isn't any free will and personal accountability?
> It's the generator seller's fault for taking advantage of your situation and price gouging. "There ought to be a law!" you'll cry.

that may be true, but one is prepared, then one probably won't claim that.
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In Dennis the Menace's view, we're all helpless victims. And have no ability to prepare for emergencies ahead of time. We all are dependant on the government. . Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . .
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huh? there really isn't any free will and personal accountability?
> It's the generator seller's fault for taking advantage of your

that may be true, but one is prepared, then one probably won't claim that.
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On 7/16/2013 6:37 AM, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

If I had a great deal of money to play around with and because I'm an anarchist at heart who will give the finger to government whenever I get the chance, I would open a warehouse store and stock it with the kind of nonperishable supplies needed during natural disasters. The difference would be, my prices would be ridiculously high all the time and advertized that way. Of course no one would buy anything except when................. ^_^
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On 7/15/2013 5:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

If I were a small gas station owner, I'd ask the local gov't to factor supplying the station with a generator into its disaster planning. Either permanently install it on site or have a plan in place to position one asap after a disaster/power outage. It's for the public good, so frankly, the public should shoulder at least some of the cost.
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Moe DeLoughan wrote:

That's actually along the lines of what I was thinking.
My idea would involve some government interference in terms of certain mandates, combined with some governmental financial support to make it happen.
I don't know what the typical cost would be to put in place the needed generator "cross over" wiring for a small gas station or a larger multi-pump gas station with a convenience store (such as WaWa). But, let's say, for example that the cost is around $2,500 or less.
Then, make it a state law (my state is New Jersey) that all gas stations are required to have this type of stand-by generator "cross over" in place by a certain date. And, use disaster planning funds, or FEMA funds, or Homeland Security funds to guarantee low interest loans to each gas station to borrow the money to do the installation with maybe a 5 or 10 year payback. Yes, it would be a new cost for the gas station businesses, but it would cost them maybe $500/year for 5 years at the most. What they would get out of it is an asset. And, what the state would get out of it is an infrastructure improvement that would help better prepare the state for disasters.
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