GE Range Schematics???

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Anybody know a place to fine schematics for older GE ranges?
For some reason there's nothing on the rear panel or anywhere else on the range. Searches so far have been non-fruit bearing. :(
GE Electric Range Model JBV42G 001AD (ca 1980, non-electronic control self-cleaning w/ microwave/range combination)
TIA for any leads...
-dpb
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on 11/21/2008 10:59 AM dpb said the following:

try here: http://genet.geappliances.com/DocSearch/Dispatcher?REQUEST=SEARCHWITHURLCONNECTION
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on 11/21/2008 11:28 AM willshak said the following:

http://genet.geappliances.com/DocSearch/Dispatcher?REQUEST=SEARCHWITHURLCONNECTION

Sorry, wrong link. Below is a direct PDF download of your range. http://genet.geappliances.com/DocSearch/pdf/49-4628
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on 11/21/2008 10:59 AM dpb said the following:

Sorry for the other two replies I made with bad URLs. I tried to cancel the messages but they may show up anyway. Go here and select 'Use & Care Manuals' in the drop down 'Select Category' box and the model number (JBV42G) in the second box. It's a 21 meg PDF file
http://www.geappliances.com /
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willshak wrote: ...

Any chance you have a highspeed connection and could see if there actually is a schematic there? I have the printed manual that came w/ the range--unfortunately, there are no schematics included in it.
I figured that the pdf from this link was just a pdf file of the printed manual and owing to the bandwith problem didn't try to download it.
If I knew there actually was a schematic, I could start a download late tonight and hope it completed eventually.
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on 11/21/2008 1:58 PM dpb said the following:

No, no schematic, just the user manual, but as someone else said, it may be stuck on the range itself. Probably behind a panel somewhere. They put them there so the service person doesn't have to carry a bunch of books for all products and models.
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willshak wrote: ...

Thanks for looking--that's what I figured when looking/searching earlier.
> ... but as someone else said, it may > be stuck on the range itself. Probably behind a panel somewhere. > They put them there so the service person doesn't have to carry a > bunch of books for all products and models.
I wish that were so...I've removed all service covers including lifting the cooktop and no schematics anywhere. :(
There's no GE appliance dealer in town any longer -- visited the one who previously did this morning to rummage on their shelves of old service manuals -- somebody cleaned out all the old GE stuff it appears as they have none of the older ones prior to the electronic control module generation left.
Guess I'll try a direct contact to GE and see if get blown off there as expect.
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dpb wrote:

If you can get onto the GE Appliances site at some reasonable speed, in the parts ordering section they show parts breakdown diagrams and part numbers you can order. I suspect that the schematics page that is normally stuck in the appliance is one of the replacement parts you can order. It was probably there originally and someone removed it and didn't put it back.
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dpb wrote:

Ok, I had a minute to look on the GE Appliances site and from the exploded diagram and the parts listing it doesn't appear there is a schematic page/label included :(
The parts list can't be readily extracted from the site, but probably 75% of the parts are listed as "no longer available". I did download the PDF of the exploded diagram and put it on my server where you can get it without having to go through page after page on the GE site.
http://wpnet.us/GE_stove.pdf
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Pete C. wrote: ...

Thanks for taking the trouble.
I hadn't got to the problem of determining yet which is the precise problem so don't know if I'll have a parts availability problem or not.
Last time I looked at one of the online parts places, most common things (including, to my surprise, the magnetron) were still available. I'll have to check and see--maybe I'll order a supply of likely stuff it it's now getting hard to get. The missus would hate to give this up -- she likes the combination microwave/oven a lot and the kitchen is so small taking up additional limited counter space or somewhere else to put in a standalone microwave would _not_ be a good alternative. AFAIK, nobody makes these any longer. :(
Again, thanks a lot for the trying; meanwhile I'll keep looking and probing.
I have the GE "range repair for idiots" book and it helps on most things but the particular symptom is in the "call service" category once the couple of things related that are addressed are ok.
Problem is starting self-cleaning cycle -- it doesn't. It may be getting isolated to the timing circuits but I'd surely like a schematic to be able to trace/see the actual interlock circuitry.
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dpb wrote:

I was looking at the actual GE parts site, some of the other online parts places may indeed have stock.

The GE Advantium is pretty much the same thing and available in an over the range configuration I believe.

You may just have to do some old fashioned reverse engineering to build a schematic. I had to do that recently on an LED dive light that flooded. It takes a bit of tracing and scribbling, but once it's done you can past it inside the cabinet where it belongs.
Personally, if it's just the self clean, I'd just clean it the old fashioned way and then be a bit more diligent about putting a catch pan in to catch any drips. I never use the self clean on my oven.
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Pete C. wrote: ...

Any time you're out this way and need something to do, drop in... :)
Stuff happens despite best of intentions.
As for manual cleaning, _I_ really don't particularly enjoy the process and the wife has a degenerative knee that is very painful (surgery scheduled next month) so that kind of activity isn't precisely on her recommended activities list. Consequently, while it's a convenience, it's a moderately significant one albeit not absolutely critical, granted.
Re: the GE Advantium, I'll have to look into it -- Mom had told me she didn't believe they were available because at one time they had talked of updating the kitchen and she decided she preferred what she had over what she saw knew so kept it.
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Pete C. wrote: ...

... That appears to be the only configuration, unfortunately. The cavity size is only 8" H x 13" D rather than that of the full-size oven of the present model. This one is a free-standing, 30" range w/ the microwave and oven cavity the same.
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dpb wrote:

It appears that what you have is being called "Trivection" now, and is still available.
http://www.geappliances.com/products/introductions/trivection/overview /
GE Profile 30" Slide-In Electric Range with Trivection TechnologyModel#: JS998SKSS
Trivection Technology Combines thermal, convection and microwave energies to produce quality food remarkably fast
http://products.geappliances.com/ApplProducts/Dispatcher?REQUEST=SPECPAGE&SITEID=GEA&SKU=js998skss
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Pete C. wrote: ...

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That's similar, thanks for the link. I hadn't found it looking earlier altho searching the site is difficult owing to speed constraints noted earler.
This seems to be something relatively new w/ the inclusion of a convection mode as well that the current doesn't have. And of course, a hefty $3500 price tag altho the current one was pretty pricey for the time. Dad stuck the ticket in the book but I don't recall just what it was, but for 1980 was quite a bit. I'm sure it wasn't the equivalent of $3.5k, though; probably more like $2k I guess.
Anyway, I think I've actually found the problem was in the timing circuits -- it's running a cycle now; we'll see if it completes and unlocks and then I'll try again to see if it will start after a couple of weeks but won't need to run a cycle; just see if it will start.
Anyway, thanks again for the help in poking around the GE site, appreciate you taking the time...
-d(uane)
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dpb wrote: ...

Well, crapola...it completed the cycle but the door lock solenoid won't engage to unlock the door... :(
So, tomorrow means more probing -- at least there's been progress and a symptom to troubleshoot...
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dpb wrote:

It's had enough time to cool down? They normally don't unlock for a while until the temp is down to sane levels.
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Pete C. wrote:

Yeah, the "door lock" light is off which is when temperature drops below the magic setpoint.
Seems there's a problem getting juice to the solenoid though, anyway. At least while it's not working I can trace back which portion of the logic isn't functional or discover if the solenoid is intermittently faulty. That'll be a bummer--that's one part that I've not been able to locate replacement for if it is...
It would surely be nice to have the schematic, though, rather than tracing through all the logic and relay contacts manually...
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dpb wrote: ...

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Well, guess there's something flaky w/ the temperature sensor -- later on, it unlocked fine. I guess for the time being I'll just let it go and see. Maybe put a thermocouple inside next time and snake it out the exhaust vent; I think there's a small path beside the fan that is accessible that could be used.
Again, thanks for the input/help w/ the GE site...
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Sometimes the stove info and schematic is pasted to the side of the range down in the lower storage drawer compartment. MLD
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