I got a load of bad gas in the truck. Only starts if I give it a squirt of
ether. This is getting tired in a hurry.
I've tried the siphons with the squeeze bulb. Only barely acceptable. And I
got on eof the Mr. Goodpump with the piston pump. Still only marginal.
Anyone out there tell me how to safely drain a couple galons of gas into a
gascan. Then I can go buy some of a different brand of gas, and hope it
That ether can routine is getting irritating.
I shot some bastard in about 1972 that was siphoning gas on our farm.
Caught him in the act... he hightailed it away in a '50 chev...
I will shoot your ass again if catch you, so you better stay the fuck away
from here, unless you've changed yer ways.
This is Turtle.
Are you sure you got water and how much.
A little water : Fill up and put 3 bottle of costal water remover from Auto zone
and burn it out. If you ain't got no money. Get you 3 or 4 pints of rubbing
alcohol and pour in it on a full tank.
A lot of water. Get you a cordless drill and a self starting metal roofing screw
with the rubber gasket and washer. Drill a hole in the lowest part of the gas
tank and drain till just gas comes out. just tighten up screw where the gasket
and washer will cut the gas off from coming out. If you feel you will never need
it again. Clean the screw area real good and cover the screw and area around it
with J.B. Weld and it will seal it off for any gas leaking any more.
Go get a clear 5/8" plastic hose. Put one end in the gas tank
of your truck. Blow through the hose and keep pushing it into
the tank until you hear bubbling and feel resistance. That
means it is in the gas.
Now, get the other end as low as possible and suck on it
steadily. When you see the gas approaching, take the hose out
of your mouth and put it into the gas can.
If you are not quick, you may have to rinse your mouth out
with a cold soda.
Now I KNOW that the old arts are being forgotten.
Heat in the red bottle, Isiprople alcohol absorbes the most water, twice
as much as the yellow bottle Heat or straight denatured alcohol should
make it burnable. It may take 6 bottles of heat. I used to live in
Europe and brought over an American T Bird with a 390, Often I would
pour in 2-3 literes of alcohol the gas was so crappy the car would
hardly run. Alcohol absorbes water and allows it to burn in the
alcohol, Easiest is to get it running with alcohol, run it down and put
in better gas. I had a Clark gas station near me constantly selling bad
gas, the service station across the street was draining alot of their
customers tanks and the station was paying for it. The worst time to buy
gas is the day before and day after the delivery truck comes, all the
crap on the bottom is stirred up.
I've got a nit pick. What is "costal water?"
And a better solution. rubbing alcohol is
commonly 70 percent so it has a lot of water. It
would be ?possibly? cheaper and much better to use
denatured alcohol from the paint store. Fresh,
denatured alcohol will be somewhere between 100
and 95 percent alcohol. But you really only need
a pint can of standard gas additive for just about
any amount of water.
However, he said bad gas. Does that mean old gas?
if so, then Stormin ought to drain the tank. He
can do that several ways, but on a truck it would
be about as easy to just pull the tank; I wouldn't
put a hole in it. Or, he could disconnect the
line at the gas filter and put 15 pounds or so
pressure on the tank with a compressor. A hose in
the tank with a sock wrapped around would be a
good enough seal for 15 pounds. And I would wash
the tank out with another 2-3 gallons of fresh gas.
Or do it without sucking if there is enough gas in the tank. Push all
the hose in (hoping the end stays under), put thumb over open end and
pull hose out (hoping end stays under). Lower end and remove thumb.
Works about 60% of time for me. I hate the tast of gas and you taste it
for hours after sucking a mouthful.
Exactly what do you mean by "bad gas?"
Water, old, dirty moldy ????
The fix sort of depends on the problem. I suspect you are going to have
a clogged filter as well.
Hint. Depending on your truck you may be able to access the tank via
the opening for the fuel gauge. You also may need to drop the tank, no easy
job with a full tank.
You may want to try www.cartalk.com Be sure to include information
about why you think the gas is bad and exactly what make model and year of
truck. You are likely to get specific information for your truck.
Chris has, or had, an older model Dodge B-Van.
Thing that kills me, when I read his original post was that IIRC on the era
van hes got, it was before they went to the plastic tanks like on the 03s we
run, and there is a drain on them just for getting water and such out.
On alot of the newer stuff, there is what is called a rollover valve in the
line leading from the filler neck, to the tank, and thats as far as hes
gonna get with the hose as normally when you go to fill,it will float up and
out of the way, but a hose will do no such thing to it.
With his history, I am just curious how many of his customers, neighboors
and such found out this morning they were a few gallons shy.
This is Turtle.
Coastal Water : The Green Water remover at Auto Zone that the locals use to get
water out of the gas. The Locals call it Co Water .
Now to Plain 70% water Rubbing Alcohol as a water absorber. The rubbing Alcohol
will Mix up a lot of water in the gas , if you have a lot gas in the tank. The
rubbing Alcohol is not just to absorb the water but it is to make the water mix
with the gas. Alcohol in a mix of gas and water is like putting soap in a mix
oil and water which will make them mix and be one product.
Now using rubbing alcohol is the last resort when you don't have any money and
everybody has a few bottles of rubbing alcohol laying around or get some at $.50
a bottle. If you have money go get two bottles of Coastal Water Remover at Auto
Zone and fill the tank with gas then be done with it.
The 100% Denatured Alcohol is high as a cats back to use for water remover when
Coastal water remover is $2.00 a bottle.
If you just want to siphon, get a clear plastic tube, stiff enough so
that you can insure it is in the gas in the tank when you insert it.
Buy some good gas and fill the tube with it, keeping both ends at the
same height. Put your thumb over the end you want the gas to come out
of. This will keep the gas from running out of the tube while you
insert the other end into the tank. Once you have the filled tube into
the gas in the tank, lower the other end to the empty gascan, keeping
the empty can and the end of the tube well below the level of the gas
tank. Remove your thumb and the flow will start. No need for sucking.
Stormin Mormon wrote:
SPAMBLOCK NOTICE! To reply to me, delete the h from apkh.net, if it is
More likely, either:
a) fuel filter is plugged
b) fuel pump is failing
Change the fuel filter first. On most cars, they're cheap - and unless you've
recently changed it, it probably needs changing anyway.
If that doesn't fix the problem, disconnect the fuel line and measure the fuel
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
Coastal water I hear they drink it down south.
Adding alcohol does not degrade gas if it has water in it, it in fact
increases octane and it is common in the midwest to be 10% alcohol from
the pump. Pure alcohol can absorbe something like 10% water and not have
a volume increase of the alcohol. Alcohol is harder to start on and less
power , but absorbes water alowing it to be burned. For a car that
nocks besause it needs higher octane you have 2 choises retard timing or
add alcohol . But just hard starting could be 20 different car problems
and not bad gas.
Gasohol is better but doesn`t address people who leave their tanks
always low so condensation develops or buying the bottom of a stations
tank. Alcohol can only absorbe so much. Often problems are atibuted to a
stations leaking tanks or no maintenance when water is detected. I don`t
buy gas up to 1 day after the suplier arrives because the bottom crud is
mixed up and has to settle. Most issues can be avoided filling the tank
full instead of near empty and only adding 5$
Aww....you're no fun anymore, Ed...
To answer Chris's question though...dont know how old his rig is so it may
not be possible...depending...but what I usually do in these cases is I will
use the rigs own fuel pump..as generally anymore there is an electric pump
inside the gas tank....just disconnect the fuel line at the carb or fuel
rail, drop it into a jug and turn on the ignition....
Ah, that explains it. We don't have an Auto Zone.
I don't know what your costs are but isopropyl is
about $1 per 16oz bottle (8 to the gallon) (and
they are 30 percent water). The little 8 oz cans
of gasline antifreeze (16 to the gallon) cost
nearly $1. So I don't see that denatured alcohol
at $9-10 a gallon is any more expensive. Anyway,
ethyl alcohol (denatured) is fully miscible with
water and fully miscible with gas. The point of
the alcohol is to keep the water mixed and not let
it separate. A quart of alcohol would probably be
enough to get 2-3 quarts of water to mix fully
with 10 gallons of gas. Two quarts of water in
10 gallons of gas would highly degrade the gas
regardless of what you use to get it to mix. Best
deal would be to eliminate (or trap) the water
instead of mixing it with the gas. Anyway,
something is seriously wrong if one has more than
a couple of ounces in 20 gallons of gas.
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