I have an old Singer furnace, model GL1406, which I'm told is over 30 years
old (I've owned the house for 23 years). Except for two recent minor
electrical problems which cut off power to the blower motor, the unit has
been working fine. I have been told, however, that the blower bearings are
not in great shape and I should get a new furnace and it would be a lot more
efficient. Our gas bills, in NYC, have been very high lately, but is it
worth $4500 for a new Carrier 80% efficient furnace + $800 for a "by-pass
humidifier" to gain that efficiency? Prices include installation and
readapting ductwork, plumbing and electric. Which other brands should I
Efficiency for a furnace is defined somewhere and shouldn't be used
differently by a furnace salesman. It relates to how much heat is
produced for a given amount of fuel. If a humidifier increased
effiiciency, then my furnace that is 27 years old would have high
efficiency because I have installed a humidifier.
I know but over all as a heating system if less gas is used it's same as
better efficiency, isn't it? Efficiency is ratio between energy input
vs. output. Theoretical maximum is 1(100%). Where I live, government
cushion, the gas price increase. No matter how high it goes, at certain
price and on, government picks it up in the form of rebate directly to
utility company. During heating season this policy is in force.
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 06:58:17 -0600, firstname.lastname@example.org (m Ransley)
Use an ultrasonic humidifier. Place a skirt under it to catch the
mineral deposits from the mist. You need moisture around you not in
the whole house. Whole house humidity can cause condensation leading
to mold and wood rot. Better still have a lot of house plants. They
respire and put moisture into the air as well as supply oxygen. Water
them sparingly. If the plants thrive so will you. The other
advantages of house plants will be self evident when you have them.
Furnace mounted forced air drum type and hallway drum type humidifiers
are more of a hassle than a help. The foam elements clog up with
mineral deposits very quickly and are hard to remove. Replacement
foam elements cost an arm and a leg. However my main objection is
that slime molds and mico-organisms find the wet tepid water an ideal
culture medium in which to propogate. If you ever have one or can
take a look at one you will find the water tray full of slimy strands
and films. They produce spores. The spore get blown into the air
with the furnace air. You have a health problem.
I'b be more concerned with the contractor. I'd get some more estimates
and also strongly consider getting a 90%+ furnace. With energy prices
likely to climb even higher, I think the incremental cost is already
justified. I don't know what kind of re-adapting is required to put
in the new unit, where it's located, etc. But the tip off that
something is wrong here is that this guy wants $800 for a bypass
humidifier that's being installed at the same time as a new furnace?
You can get a top of the line Aprilaire 700 (which I highly recommend
as opposed to the bypass type) for $225 retail and installation,
especially at the same time as a furnace is not very difficult. IMO,
$800 is a rip off.
BTW, does that $4500 include air conditioning? I sure hope so!
This is Turtle.
Yes it is time for a new one because of furture gas prices.
I would concider a 90% afue or better.
$4500 + $800 for the humidity control may be too much as the group says
but what is too much for your area. Get you a second bid to just check
to see what too much is. i don'
t know the prices in your area and this $4500 might be normal for i
The price of a job is only about 1/2 of the job but the other 1/2 is
the professional that will do a good job. So be more looking at what
company does the job than the price of it.
Yeah, can't believe he really lives on the east coast. It's only
really humid here July/August. And humidifier, as you pointed out, is
useful in winter, when without one, with it cold outside, the inside
humidity can get very low. Maybe he likes getting static shocks?
First, the price sounds high. I'm in western NYS, and my boss gets
about two grand for a 80% furnace, and not much more for the
Like folks say, the humidifier doesn't add much work when done at the
same time. And the 90% furnace is an excellent idea.
I live in NY state. When it's winter, and there is snow on the ground,
there is a definite need for humidity in houses. And in summer, there
is a definite need for dehumidifying.
Christopher A. Young
You can\'t shout down a troll.
Well, thanks everyone for replies. Yes I though $800 quite high for a
humidifier. My plumber who seems very honest recommended the hvac company as
being honest, but I'm not sure as hvac man keeps saying he's honest. I
definitely will get other bids and look to a higher efficiency unit. As for
wanting a humidifier with a forced-air system, my house sure feels dry
during heating season so that's a definite plus for me. And no, the $4500
does not include AC. No one mentioned other brand furnaces, my neighbor had
a Trane installed a couple of years ago for around $3500.
Don't worry about what brand furnace you end up with. The most
important part of the deal is the tech who will help pick the right
equipment and size and installation for your specific situation. A good
tech will choose good equipment for you. Brand names are not always an
indication of quality.
That sounds pretty high to me.
Three weeks ago I replaced my old, natural draft furnace.
Using my friend/HVAC perfectionist's suppliers, we installed the system with
my obligation being only his costs. He and I go back >40-years, he was a
groomsman at my wedding >32-years ago. I have seen the actual invoices.
Total REAL cost before tax: $1786.
$640 - WeatherKing 92% condensing furnace ("92.8%" AFUE)
255 - Evaporator coil assembly
891 - Rheem 13 SEER outdoor air conditioner
Of course, that does not account for the relatively minor bill from the sheet
metal supply house, the fancy, right angle pleated filter housing and sundry
supplies. Nor does it account for the adult beverages and fuel for hauling my
friend around. I am quite pleased with the job. It was a VERY valuable
learning experience for me. I might even be able to do it MYSELF again - in
my next life! HA!
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