10ft by all means! Someone mentioned pouring 2ft kneewalls then a slab
later. Very good idea.
Doors: If using 2 doors, go for the widest you can fit. I replaced a
slider with a 8' wide a few years ago. Have kicked my ass ever since
for not going with a 9'. Had to totally reframe the front of the
garage in any case and the wider door would not have caused any extra
work or expense.
Sold on 10ft. Thanks all for the great responses.
My new plan is to lay 2 courses of 8" concrete block and then use
standard 8ft studs and work with 8ft sections of wall so I can tilt
them up myself. I will use morter to lay the block, screen after first
course and then fill the second course with concrete (or morter?) with
j bolts. Do I need to fill each block on the second course? or just
the ones with the jbolts?
From where does the extra height come?
(I'm assuming 8" block with ~1" morter each = 1.5' +8' = 9.5' + .25
(top/bottom plate) < 10'
I'd consider a third layer of block and going just over 10'.
Are not "studs" 7'9 anway? so stud + top &bottom plates = 8'.
I don't know what standard building practice is... so i'm talking out
of my butt... but i'd think that you'd want the wall to be tied
together mechanically... Plopping rebar through the common holes in
the block and cementing it in place. That might be overkill.
Is the space now or ever going to be climate controled?
If so, what about using the insulation blocks that fill with cement?
You might want to consider insulating under the slab as well.
Ich habe keine Ahnung was das bedeutet, oder vielleicht doch?
Yes, you should tie the top course of block together, its called a bond
beam. #4 steel continueous in the top course of your stem/pony
whatever you want to call it... 48inches O.C. solid grout on your
verticle steel and at every corner or door etc....
Regarding height, I build my detached garage 24x36 with 9 foot
ceilings, BUT the car parking spot is set 4 inches lower than the
workspace at grade. So net on the lintel that spans the garage door
opening (8'x16') is 16 inches. Making the net ceiling hieght in the
car park 9'4".
I know block is common in many parts of the country, but I really prefer
poured concrete. It's stronger, and less likely to leak, shift, or crack.
Around here we put 1/2" rebar in the footing, 1/2" rebar in the top of the
wall, and short vertical 1/2" rebar sections every 4' tying the footing and
wall together. All rebar and anchor bolts have to be wired in place and
inspected before the concrete is poured. It's practically indestructable!:)
Yes, you have to build the forms and take them down again afterwards, but
the actual concrete pour is usually done in less than an hour. You work
fast and hard, but it's very satisfying when you pull the forms and see the
And, you can always hire the foundation out if you're not comfortable with
============================Sorry about the double posts yesterday...lost my internet connection
and thought I lost the first post completely ...
This post is concerning the doors.... I installed roll up doors
similar to the doors found on loading docks... the cost was only a few
dollars more then a regular door....the advantage is that they do not
take up any room inside the garage ...do not hang over your head when
open etc....no tracks takling up ceiling space and do not interfer
As others have posted, I'd go 10ft. Just imagine trying to stand a
4x8 sheet of plywood on end under an 8ft ceiling - that extra 2ft will
really make a big difference. I also like the idea of at least a foot
or so of concrete at the wall bases. It will make cleanup much less of
We just finished up sheetrock work in the attached 3-car garage
for our new house. Due to complexities in our design, we had some
walls that were framed all the way from basically floor height and
others that sat over 1ft concrete stem walls. In other words, we had
both 9 and 10 ft walls to frame. One thing that made the job easier
was getting both 1/2" CDX sheathing and drywall in 4x10 sheets.
Pre-cut studs are also available for 10ft walls (116-5/8"). Many
people don't know about 4x10 sheets of plywood. You won't find them at
the big box, but a decent lumber yard should carry them.
Finally, be careful to maintain enough room for the garage door
hardware. I had to run some ventilation ducts and plumbing waste lines
along the middle of our garage ceiling. By the time they were
soffitted in, it put a real squeeze on the door hardware. We ended up
going with low headroom tracks on all three doors and one still had no
room left for an automatic opener (no big deal right now since this
stall is essentially shop space). And if you want a really clean look,
make sure to install wires beforehand for the garage door opener
buttons and safety sensors. I luckily remembered to do this the
afternoon prior to the crew showing up to hang rock.
Richard Johnson PE
Camano Island, WA
I've never done 8' and regretted it, but I've built two garages with 10'
or higher ceilings and it is great. In both I installed doors that were
8' high and didn't regret that either as I can fit my full-size truck
with hi-rise cap in with no problems. With an 8' ceiling you'll be able
to fit at most a 7'6" high door and maybe able only to fit a 7' door.
It isn't unusual to have a vehicle (truck/SUV/full-size van) that
exceeds that height.
Taller is better. I also want to do woodworking in my garage. In order
to capture all the dust from woodworking tools at the source, I want to
install a very good dust collector -- and I really want to install a
"cyclone" style dust collector. The problem is that the ceiling in my
garage is low and cyclone needs to be tall in order to effectively
capture all the very fine dusts (something to do with spinning down the
fine dusts to slow them down and let them fall to the dust bin at the
bottom of the cyclone). Therefore, the only place that I can position
the cyclone is in the middle of the garage where the top of the cyclone
can stick out between the trusses. But this creates other complication
that has conflict with other stuff in the garage. Consequently, I get a
regular dust collector instead of a cyclone. Unfortunately, that
regular dust collector cannot filter out as fine dust as the cyclone.
If my garage had a high ceiling, I would not have to make that
On 15 Jul 2005 10:17:36 -0700, email@example.com wrote:
==================Not at all hard to make your own "cyclone" ...almost any 2 Hp single
stage can be converted into a Cyclone simply by adding a trash can to
the system and buying a lid that most of the vendors sell ....No
matter what brand just get get the smallest micron size you can...
Guess it really depends on your definituion of Good vs Excellent
vs...works "pretty" good...
Run over to Alt. Rec Woodworking...the subject comes up every 3rd
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