I live on the Oregon coast, and I am watching the shingles blow off of
my roof. This doesn't happen often, but it happens often enough that
I want to find a better way than just nailing them back on one at a
My roof has "architectural" shingles, which to me just means they
don't lie flat, and they make it a lot easier for the wind to get
under them. It occurs to me that I could greatly reduce the chance of
their blowing off if I nailed them down with furring strips every
couple feet or so, i.e. 8' long, very light 1x2s running vertically
from the peak to the gutter. I know it wouldn't look great, but the
biggest problem is with the part of the roof that faces the back yard,
so they wouldn't be visible from the street. And if I painted them
dark brown, they might not be visible at all unless someone was
looking for them.
I realize that it would hurt the resale, but a) I have no plans to
move, and b) it wouldn't take much extra work to pull them up when I
get a new roof, which I would have to do if I sold the house anyway.
So, comments? Other than the looks, is there any structural or
practical reason why they wouldn't work?
On Dec 3, 6:19 pm, email@example.com wrote:
It would be similar to using a collander as a hat in a rain storm.
It'll leak like a sieve, and it'll look like crap.
Buy some roof cement in caulking tubes, gently pry up and separate the
shingles (sounds like they're not sealed together), and squirt a dab
of roof cement under the shingles every 4" to 6". That'll bond one
layer to the next and will take care of the blow off problem. Only
problem is that it is work that is best done in warmer weather.
Why would it leak? Maybe I didn't make it clear that the strips are
going over the shingles just to hold them down; I'm not expecting the
strips to provide any rain protection. I won't need many nails per
strip, and I'll put tar over the nails.
On Dec 3, 10:27 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
re: I'll put tar over the nails
What's going to prevent the water from going through the nail holes
*under* the furring strips?
Please don't tell us you'll caulk around each furring strip to seal
the seam where it meets the roof.
On Dec 3, 10:27 pm, email@example.com wrote:
I've changed my mind. You've convinced me that you're right. Zero
chance it'll leak. Nail away!
BTW, we'll be electing a new alt.home.repair moderator and I feel you
should nominate yourself. You've got mad construction skillz.
On Dec 4, 4:09 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Rico is right (except about the colendar as a hat thing -- I think it
would look okay). The purpose of roofs being made the way there are
is that it is almost impossible to plug a hole and keep it plugged.
If it worked, then roofers would just nail through the shingles. No
amount of tar is going to seal the holes -- not all of them all of the
You might want to look at alternative roofing systems like metal roofs
or the imitation slate (that is quite heavy). You could also rip off
the roof and go with a rolled roofing (like that is used on semi-flat
roofs that goes down with virtually no nails but lots and lots of tar
-- and you basically glue it to your roof.
Man..were you having a bad day or WHAT??? The man is asking for
help.....you have to slam him, casue he has an opinion? WOW....I guess
EVERY home improvement you ever attempted on your own, was perfection
huh?! LOL sheesshhhhh......I give the homeowner credit for devising a
plan and acting on it, and not just ignoring it, hoping it will go
You should remember this: You can know the right way to do many
things, but if this is how you handle others...who cares??? people
will just bypass your information (and you)..after all your FREE
advise..is worth JUST THAT....LOL...laughing AT you..not WITH
you....on this one R
Once the shingles start flapping in the wind the roof needs to be replaced.
Gluing the shingles back down with roofing cement is the correct way to
proceed as a temporary repair until summer when the roof can be replaced.
However if you prefer to nail them down with boards go ahead. Or simply
skip the boards and nail the flaps down. May make the roof a little harder
to replace but I can't see any harm. Consider it a temporary repair until
you get some dry weather.
Thank you for your helpful reply, which I didn't realize would be so
hard to come by in this group. Everything you said makes sense, but
the roof is only five years old. The people who put it on are pretty
much the only roofers in this very small town, so I have no reason to
expect they will do it any better than the first time. To be fair to
them, my house is on top of a hill, and apparently sits right square
at the apex of a funnel formed by the terrain, so I get the strongest
winds around here, which is saying something. I had an anemeometer
rated for 80mph that broke.
I have a pension lump sum payment coming in a couple of years, and
when I get it I'll probably replace the roof with something designed
for the high winds, but I can't afford a replacement until then. For
now, I've just been nailing the shingles back on (which is what the
"pros" did for the first two years, then they said I was on my own).
I've been using very short nails which I don't think are long enough
to go all the way through the plywood on the roof. At any rate, I've
nailed a lot of shingles up there over the past three years, and I
haven't seen any leaks. And like I said, I put tar over the nails.
Should that work for a few years if I refresh the tar every summer?
I guess I could go over the whole roof and glue every shingle, but
geez that sounds like a lot of work. A lot of them *are* glued,
because when I was watching the storm a big section of them, about the
size of a car door, was flapping as a unit. That's what made me think
that nailing furring strips over them might help. I think the problem
is that it rarely gets up to 70 degrees in the summer here, so the
glue doesn't melt well. And I could probably get away with just
putting the strips on the windward edges, because that's where all the
One of the comedians here accidentally made a helpful comment about
leaking from under the furring strips. If I put some gobs of tar on
the shingles, then put the board on top of the tar, and then nailed
throught the board, tar, and shingles (before the tar dries), would
that make it waterproof? Would using silicone sealant instead of tar
make any difference?
Thanks for any help, and sorry to bother the other guys.
On Dec 4, 4:29 pm, email@example.com wrote:
In such a high wind area you should have used shingles with a higher
wind rating and used an increased nailing pattern (six nails instead
of four per 3' shingle). Basically all information necessary is right
on the shingle package wrapper.
The kiss of death for any roof. The nails _must_ penetrate the roof
There is a definite correlation between amount of time spent on a roof
by amateurs and decreased life expectancy. You're asking people to
guess on your skill, roof and climactic conditions and predict an
outcome it's still a guess. Should it work? For a while, maybe.
Will it work? Not for any appreciable amount of time.
It is. Doing things right the first time is a helluva lot easier.
And easy repairs often equate to shoddy repairs.
You're roof is doomed and was from the day it was put on. If you have
sections of shingles flapping in the wind and there's not a hurricane
directly on you, the problem is with the installation. My guess is
that either you reroofed and the roofer used too short nails or
skipped nails because they're negligent/incompetent.
Furring strips will cause far more problems. There are better
solutions for borderline emergency repairs. As someone else posted,
just nail right through the shingles and forget about the furring
strips, then use a elastomeric roof coating over the whole shebang.
I'll be appearing here all week. Tell your friends.
You're not a bother. But asking why a roof would leak after you Rube
Goldberg it up and punch holes all over it is rather funny. From
where I'm sitting, you're the comedian.
If the roofing company did screw up your roof you could and should go
after them for a replacement - even at this late date. You need to
determine exactly how the roof was installed, nailing pattern, size of
nails, underlayment, etc., document it and work up how the roof
company was negligent. Then send them the package of materials with
photographs and explain how their errors and omissions damaged you and
that you expect them to remedy the situation. If they're dragging
their heels, have a lawyer draft up a strongly worded letter and send
it to them. The objective is to pressure them into replacing the roof
without getting the lawyers too heavily involved. If lawyers do get
involved, well then you'll be hiring a roofing company from outside
your area to replace the roof. It will cost much more than the
original roofing company cost and the original company would be
looking at possibly laying out approximately three or four times the
amount of cash than it would take them to put on a new roof for their
cost. It's all about risk.
Please be aware that your amateur repairs are damaging the roof and
will hamper any efforts to have the roof corrected at little or not
BTW, I really am hilarious - and not just looking.
OK, thanks. Please bear with me for some more dumb questions. I'm
not trying to argue about anything, I'm just trying to understand. I
guess I need to get a book on roofing from the library.
As far as I can tell, there were no nails used to put the shingles on
originally, just staples. The neighbors, who are apparently rich
because they only live here in the summer, had the same local outfit
roof their new house, and they lost a bunch of shingles in the first
storm, too. Since they're rich, they had an outside company come in
and put a new roof on their two-month old house, and from what I could
see they just used staples too (driven by compressed air), but they
haven't had any problems. Are staples and nails interchangeable?
My nails go into the sheathing, but not all the way through. They
seem to be holding. Why is it important that they penetrate
No, I'm just stupid. So let me see if I understand what you're
saying --- The shingles should be nailed, but only where they are
covered by the shingle above them, and the lower flaps should be glued
The local politics here make your sensible legal suggestions
impractical for me.
You may have several issues here.
First your roofing may not be rated for the winds in your location.
Second your roof may be incorrectly installed.
Third your shingles have been damaged flapping in the wind.
The fix is to remove and replace using the correct material for your
conditions and following the manufacturer instructions.
I can't see your roof. I don't know how much risk of water damage you are
willing to accept. You can make temporary repairs. How long those repairs
will last is unknown. Water can get under your shingles and damage your
plywood sheathing and wood supports without ever appearing inside your home.
Waiting to replace your roof greatly increases the chance of increased
damage and increased costs. You may already have damage from previous
Putting a new roof on probably would not be much more work then making
Check out this page
See how each product has a different wind resistance. Some are rated for as
high as 130 mph.
Read the installation instructions here
See how the installation varies with wind and roof steepness.
Thanks for the link. I used their finder, and they don't have a
contractor within 50 miles of me, which is what I expected. On the
other hand, I didn't know they offered lifetime warranties. If I knew
I only had to do it one time, I guess I would go ahead and get a pro
from Dover to put on the super duper shingles when I get my pension
payment. So that means my repairs only have to last a couple of
No doubt about it, you need to replace the roof. Of course you have
been having a rather windy year up there, but that is not the whole problem.
You need to choose shingles that are rated for high winds. In other
words, they are heavy and have lots of adhesive on them or you need extra
added when installed. You local roofing companies should know what is
needed. If not, move on to one that does.
Those asphalt singles may not be the best thing for your location. Ask
the local roofers and see what they recommend. What will work best will no
doubt be more expensive, but it may be cheaper in the long run.
Of course you are also in an area with moss issues. Do you have
problems with moss as well? Consider the roofing materials moss
characteristics as well.
I'm not sure what "architectural" shingles are, but I think we have them
:o) Elk Prestige Plus, I believe. We have an unusual roof on our
condo, with steep mansards on each building. In addition to a poor
installation (improper nailing), they were a poor choice for steep roofs
(formerly concrete tile). After a couple of major reworks, and still
losing shingles, the roofer started applying roof cement under each
tab. Our city also changed the regulations for shingles on steep roofs,
requiring cement under each tab of the shingle. Then came the
hurricanes, in 2005?, and we had a "stuck fast" roof! Max. winds here
were 70 mph, and we lost a skylight but not one shingle. Many of the
buildings in the neighborhood lost many shingles and even concrete
tiles, but ours stayed on. Don't recall whether these shingles are
rated for Dade, but the extra adhesive seems to have made a great
In regard to your furring strips, any uncovered nail hole is likely to
cause leaking. I suppose you could fashion some way of putting cement
under the strips as you nail, but it sounds really hideous. In
addition, bare wood is likely to deteriorate rather quickly on a roof
.. it's creative, but does not sound like a good idea.
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