That's why I suspect if the place was stolen intact, a state actor was
involved. I read after posting that each major part is serialized and
selling them off would be pretty risky. I don't see the plane as having
landed anywhere but the ocean, but stranger things have happened. New
scenario - the Chinese are trying to start WWIII and they'll eventually
accuse the US or Korea or Japan of masterminding the disappearance.
Stranger things have happened. (-:
The tsunami "garbage islands" are quite impressive:
< Cars, tractors, boats and the occasional entire house have been spotted
floating on the surface of the Pacific Ocean. The largest "island" of
debris stretches 60 nautical miles (69 miles) in length and covers an
expanse of more than 2.2 million square feet, according to the US Navy's 7th
Fleet, which is closely monitoring the floating rubbish.>
The length of time that's elapsed since the probable ocean crash of the jet
means that debris has had a lot of time to scatter as well as become
waterlogged and sink. It's conceivable that MH370 stays lost for a very,
very long time like the Titanic.
It's still a very big ocean out there. It took two years to find just one
of the black boxes from the AirFrance crash and they had a pretty good idea
where to look because they found wreckage shortly after the crash. MH370
may "sleep" for as long as the Titanic did, albeit for slightly different
reasons that all come back to "it's a big ocean with a lot of (very deep)
water to search."
The Titanic was only found because the USN floated the money for the search
and they were looking for the Thresher, not the Titanic. We've had deep
diving submersible technology since the '50's but it's wildly expensive and
time-consuming to search at those depths. Maybe if the India sinks a
submarine in that area, we'll have an excuse to search the depths in depth.
Given the problems India's been having with their subs (they stopped buying
Russian gear and are now building their own (apparently very shoddy) subs.
Reminds me of the John Madden joke about the guy who loses a quarter in the
urinal so he takes out his wallet and throws a $50 bill in after it. He
tells his buddy "you don't think I am going in there for a quarter?"
Everyone is speculating about what happened to that plane, and the
longer it's fate remains unknown, the wilder and wilder the speculation
Now, we're talking about pirates highjacking a plane for ransom just as
they would an oil tanker. The problem with that theory is that whomever
hijacked the airplane would have to have known enough about it to have
turned it's transponders off, and that's not the level of technical
sophistication you have amongst typical Somali pirates.
We will eventually find out what happened to that plane, but I suspect
the truth will be far more mundane that the speculation, and may even be
One thing's for certain. Whomever took that airplane on a joy ride is
almost certain to be given a book and movie deal from some Hollywood
producer wanting to cash in on the intrigue.
My opinion is that it's evidence of the human mind needing to have rational
explanations for everything that happens. It's why early man created Zeus
(to explain thunder and lightning) and probably why we've got civilization.
It's insatiable curiosity coupled with a fear of the unknown. We want to
make things "knowable" so they don't frighten us.
One thing's for sure. A lot of us know a lot more about airplanes than we
did a week ago!
There are some who study intelligence that believe that almost all of our
intellect arises from our ability to detect patterns. Some say it was the
ability of early humans to read tracks left by animals that catapulted us to
the top of the food chain. I personally believe it was figuring out
eclipses and the motions of the sun and stars that gave us our edge.
Sometimes I wonder if intelligent life will be found only on worlds where
there are things like full eclipses.
Speaking of Dr. Who and SciFi I started playing the Bab5 DVDs on the big
screen TV instead of the computer monitor and it seems they converted a 4x3
aspect ration to 16x9. The image gets incredibly grainy at times. Also,
it's painfully obvious how much special effects have improved in 20 years.
The FX really suffer because they are blown up to the wider aspect ratio.
However, if they didn't do it during production of the DVDs, I probably
would have done it with the remote's zoom button. I hate watching 4x3
programs on the wide screen TV.
How did you get a cynical to survive in captivity? I heard they're hard as
hell to keep alive. (-:
Yes, I've been reading about that and noticed, among other things that quite
a few issues are in dispute including cast changes/trap doors, plot lines
and "who struck John." I'm using the IMDB to figure out "where are they
now?" and trying to avoid spoilers. I remember a lot, but not enough to
want to know surprises ahead of time. It's engaging. I really like zapping
through a dozen or so episodes when I am zapped out. I have to admit to
using 2X speed on some stuff. JMS does his share of speechifying. (-:
I always liked the Vorlons. They were a refreshing change from the "always
humanoid" aliens of the Star Trek franchise. Of course, the award in the
odd-looking aliens category goes to Farscape and Jim Hensons puppets. But I
still like the Vorlons the best because their "skin" looked like the burled
walnut dash of the Jaguar I restored in college.
Remember when there was the time and energy to look at a beat up old humpty
and see in your mind what it would look like after being restored. And then
to actually do it? I think I tapped my last can of Bondo a long, long time
ago. So long, in fact, it astonishes me. Time sure flies.
Ex-journo - the difference is like being an alcoholic and being in recovery.
My neighbor is worried that her five year old grandson is going to be a
destructive menace because he takes everything apart. I told her that's
actually a good thing if he's trying to see how things work and not just how
A lot of successful people were taking things apart at a very early age. I
can't remember the first thing I tried to "fix" when I was a kid. Hmmm.
That's the kind of thing that you can't recall on demand but that will show
up a day from now when I am looking at something and realize it was a clock
or a radio that I did exploratory surgery on.
A lot of it induced by media types who get bored easily and then go
looking for ANYTHING and ANYBODY to fill up air time and put pressure on
the officials to do SOMETHING.
Two things I learned early on as both a reporter and a psych nurse
is (1) you learn a lot by just sitting there quietly until the person
(or the situation) has something to say and (2). silence is
uncomfortable for us to do so we say something and lose number 1.
I wonder too, if the cockpit reinforcements placed after 9/11 also
argue against that happening.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.
Malaysian Airlines will know whether there were any air marshalls aboard
that plane. If so, those air marshalls would have been shown how to
open the cockpit door in the event someone gets into the cockpit and
takes over control of the plane. They would perhaps have keys to unlock
the door from the outside in their possession, or know a procedure that
would override the door lock.
I also heard on the TV news that the 54 year old captain of that plane
had a flight simulator in his house. That flight simulator was
confiscated by the Malaysian authorities; ostensibly to see if there's
anything incriminating on it.
But, most, if not all pilots love to fly, and for a commercial airline
pilot to have a flight simulator in his own house doesn't seem all that
strange to me.
I would expect to find Golfing game software in the home of an avid
golfer and auto racing game software in the home of an auto racing
I agree.Although, I do know people who don't fly but still use the
simulators because they would like. Of course if the simulator has
information so he has been practicing how to land a 777 on an abandoned
WWII airfield in the Middle East, there might be an issue.
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.
This plane has pretty good short field capability anyway and we have
see plenty of accidental landings on fields theoretically too short
for the plane.
Any halfway decent pilot could set this down on a good sized road if
he had to.
The trick is finding a route to that road that stays out of range of
radar. There may be a corridor in western China or Eastern India that
is out of range of radar but I doubt it. That is a politically
I suppose it might be possible for them to have set up the transponder
to emulate some benign flight but I am not sure what that would be.
Were they near another flight that they could have "tail gated" into
I am still betting they just flew out to very deep water and went in
vertical. A few floaty things may wash up on a beach somewhere but
nothing that will help much.
I think you'd have to get an expert's opinion before you could make
either of those statements.
Modern radar is sophisticated and might be able to tell the difference
between one plane or two located very close together. You'd need an
expert, like an air traffic controller, to provide an educated guess
If they landed on the water, it's possible the plane would hold
together, but a crash into the water would create floating debris. In
either case, those US submarine hunting aircraft should be able to find
the plane or the debris.
What's the most perplexing aspect of this whole thing is the fact that
it appears that the plane's transponders were intentionally turned off,
and that leads to all kinds of speculation as to why someone on board
would do that. If the pilots were incapacitated, then whoever took over
the plane must have had very good knowledge of this kind of aircraft.
If the pilots turned the transponders off, what could their motive have
<The Soviets challenged many of the facts presented by the U.S., and for the
first time, mentioned the presence of a USAF RC-135 surveillance aircraft
whose path had crossed that of KAL 007.>
As I recall their flight paths crossed and the Sovs thought the jetliner was
a military surveillance jet. The US erased the radar tapes within a day or
two, which I find extraordinarily suspicious considering the gravity of the
event. "We reused the tape" was the line they used.
If you read the Wiki piece on KAL007, it becomes obvious that debris is
often hard to find even if you know exactly where to look. The Soviet SAM
appears to have come as close to "completely disintegrating" the 747 as you
can come. MH370 could easily be lost forever. Here's what came out of the
KAL007 passenger cabin:
<<Of the non-human remains that the Japanese recovered were various items
including dentures, newspapers, seats, books, eight KAL paper cups, shoes,
sandals, and sneakers, a camera case, a "please fasten seat belt" sign, an
oxygen mask, a handbag, a bottle of dish washing fluid, several blouses, an
identity card belonging to 25-year-old passenger Mary Jane Hendrie of Sault
Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada, and the business card of passenger Kathy
They found human remains like torsos but those are probably gone after a
week in the drink.
And there's always an enormous amount of junk floating in the ocean
everywhere. I wonder what the bottom line $ cost will be for this effort
and how much US taxpayers will spend. It costs a lot of $ per hour to
operate those big Navy ships.
The first one is understandable, at least. Making the plane wreckage hard
to find is just being a real dick. For the first time since this happened,
I am beginning to think that plane might just pop up somewhere intact.
I've heard nothing about China sending it's navy in there to do the job.
Or am I just not tuned into the right station?
For one thing, do we trust all statements made by authorities - like the
Malaysian gov't and military?
Was the transponder turned off, or was their a failure to detect it?
What is the range of the transponder?
What other facilities would have been in a position to detect it for the
first 40 minutes of the flight?
Did the Malaysians shoot down flight MH370 if they felt (as you would in
the USA) that a passenger plane flying without beacon, unresponsive to
radio contact, is a defacto threat against the country?
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