Fallout Shelter Supplies

Hmmm powdered water. I think min human intake per day in the best case scenario is 2 liters or half a US gallon. That's well under 200 gallons a year. So 1 person needs approx three 55 gallon barrels of water a year at the very minimum. Deep aquifers containing ancient waters may not be affected by surface radioactivity. They do exist in the US. Do a little research on the Ogallala Aquifer for one.

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A. Baum
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Better make it sheep, then. Milk, meat, wool, and sex.

Cindy Hamilton

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Cindy Hamilton

Hmm...2 liters x 365 =3D 730 gallons or 13 drums and that is taking your figures. 2 liters is more than 1/2 gallon.

They you have to allow for washing up, etc.

Joe Blow average is not going to be able to dig a well to the aquifer and muni supplies will not be available.

Harry K

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Harry K

Ooops.. dropped an operation. forgot to divide by 2. so about 6 55 gal drums. Probably still have an error in there somewhere.

Harry K

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Harry K

I didn't know you were from New Zealand. ^_^

TDD

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The Daring Dufas

No, it's not. 2 liters x 365 = 730 *liters* = 193 gallons.

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Doug Miller

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Doors? Surplus submarine waterproof hatch that you can dog from the inside is more like what you'd need. In fact, it would probably be a good idea to buy and bury a whole diesel sub. You get a pressure hull, hatches, diesel generators, fuel tanks, living quarters and torpedo tubes. If you've only got 2.3M there's

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Guardsmen in Florida after Andrews consistently report being outgunned by the locals. They got to Charlton Heston in the Omega Man and he was armed to the teeth. (-:

I didn't think anyone else in the world had read that book. Don't take hot jewelry in trade for anything. It could be very, very hot. I ended up marrying someone who was very much like the heroine of the book, Lib, with the same name, too. Serendipity doo! Saw it first as a Playhouse 90 presentation. I wonder if that version still exists anywhere?

non-perishable

Best to keep a low profile and not let anyone know you're there. After Andrew people organized into gangs that would make defending nearly any single family dwelling impossible.

Humans are survivors. I think TDA was unrealistic in that respect. Look at what people live through today (wars, famine, tidal waves, earthquakes, American Idol). The end of the world scenario that got to me was TZ with Burgess Meredith locked in a deep vault, the only survivor of a global war with all the time in the world now to read his books - until his only pair of glasses breaks!

Now THAT'S depressing!

Remember the Anasazi? They moved to concealed cliff dwelling reachable only by rope that had narrow "choke point" access while providing line of sight to the other encampments to provide fast alerts to invaders and they still all got wiped out. Eaten by other native Americans, so the legend goes (except among the native Americans). When times get tough, they can get very tough.

-- Bobby G.

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Robert Green

It's because you're not praying hard enough!

Seriously, though, watching my dog and the associations she makes with random events makes me believe that as soon as the first virgin was killed and some bad thing like a famine ended, the die was cast and religion was born. The strong belief in an afterlife is sadly quite easily explained by the dreams people must have had about their dead relatives. Going to sleep and seeing people long gone in your dreams could easily lead to a belief in a spirit world. Imagine what that must have seemed like to primitive people who had no knowledge of science or the brain. The dead were clearly not in THIS world anymore, but they were very much in that other world of the night.

What worries me is that first religion said: live right and God won't punish you in the here and now. Then it was live right and get to the afterlife. Then came you don't have to even live right, Jesus fixed it. Then it was "kill for Allah" and get a great condo in Heaven with full benefits, 78 virgins and a river of yogurt outside your door. It's like Big Business, promising benefits they'll never have to deliver on to get a workforce in the here and now.

-- Bobby G.

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Robert Green

What keeps stuff on the line, then?

Power the electric fence you'll need to keep away people wanting to steal your cache of trash bags.

Great way to carry off the dead, though.

Not very good eating. A Havahart rabbit and squirrel trap would be more useful.

Geez. Grow a beard. Stockpile something more important!

Probably a pretty useful trade item. Ask any ex-con. A few cartons of Marlboros might just be enough to raise an army of nicotine addicts to do your post-disaster/war bidding.

How do you pack them with the rest of the gear in your fallout shelter without them dying?

I say stockpile just a few small, compact necessities, and the rest you can bargain for:

Real pain medication (Oxycontin/morphine - not ibuprophen!), cigarettes, booze, bullets, baby food, chocolate, coffee and postage stamps for when Kevin Costner restarts the USPS.

-- Bobby G.

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Robert Green

fuel.

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Kurt Ullman

Dibs onna torpedo tube! More room than the bunks.

Yeah... way back when I was still a pup. I still think about that book, now and again. Lasting memories of my youth. (sigh)

I've read about it on the web, but have never seen it.

Really? Marauding gangs intent on doing eee-ville? I don't recall THAT ever making the 10 o'clock news. I do remember seeing a few folks being interviewed, with shotguns in hand, standing in front of their pile of sticks, and vowing to shoot looters.

Well yeah, but.... gotta remember nuclear winter. Why bother to organize into surviving societies if we're all gonna be dead in 3 wks, anyway. That guy shooting Jason Robards was a result of hopeless despair more than anything else. Who cares? No one.

A classic.

When I was in the service and overseas at a "remote" assignment ('67-68), I read constantly. At that time the mkt was flooded with paperback anthologies of horror/sci-fi/fantasy short stories, many from the best authors of the genre. I read all those old TZ short stories and more by Matheson, Bradbury, Ellison, etc

One of the most unforgettable was this brilliant short story that was only a page and half long. A young girl, who was the proverbial outcast in school, spent all her time trying to do her first witch's spell. She'd show those other kids. Finally, one day while out under the shade of a tree on a hill, trying her hardest on this one spell she'd been practicing forever, she finally succeeded. In surprise and triumph, she exclaimed, "Well, I'll be damned!" An ethereal voice came to her out of nowhere.... "You already are".

That one always intrigued me. To be sealed off is to be, well.... sealed off! You may keep the enemy out, but they can likewise keep you in. Standard warfare for centuries has been simple starvation. If defenders have no viable force to venture forth, they're screwed. OTOH, maybe they jes lost their DirectTV signal. ;)

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notbob

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Thnx, Bub. I'll check it out.

Now, being in the CO high country w/ no TV, I've been reading a lot of escape fiction. Recently discovered Stephen Coonts. Boy, he's a real hoot, too. Nuclear terrorism, missles into the White House, and all manner of catastrophic deviltry, with no shortage of relevant political insights. Yet, always a feel-good ending where all the good guys live to go onto the next book. Plus, he's a technically savvy and clever writer with a good sense of humor. He out-Clancys Clancy by at least a furlong. Highly recommended if you like that sorta thing.

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notbob

Heh....

You been listening to yer old Edie Brickell CD, haven't you.

Philosophy is the talk on a cereal box Religion is the smile on a dog --Young Bohemians

Milton musta been dreaming about his ex. lol...

nb

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notbob

Have to confess I've not heard of her, although it sounds like I should have. Not much music beyond the 70's and 80's has made it into my library. Mostly new music comes from something I hear on TV and kind find on Amazon by searching for the lyrics. I see she was born in 1966. Probably wasn't doing much music in the 70's

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Sounds interesting.

I'd love to know what my dog dreams about. She yips, twitches, her eyes roll around and even her tail wags when she's dreaming. Perhaps a world where dogs run things.

-- Bobby G.

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Robert Green

Heh! You bet. Read all his stuff.

I'm sometimes disappointed that he doesn't reveal his contempt of fools more forcefully and more often. . .

I can also recommend the "Reacher" novels by Lee Child. "Reacher" is a retired MP who vagabonds around the land. Situations find him where he has to deal with the oppressors of good, decent, folk in ways usually reserved for runaway locomotives and Chinese hords. Here's a quote from one of his books:

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HeyBub

Have you ever read Patrick O'Brian (Master and Commander)? I went through his 20 book series twice to even understand what the Hell he was talking about. I've read the series 4 times, so far. Big fun.

You gotta be kidding me. Really?

I've read, or've started reading, enough NYT best selling list authors to know THAT whole thing is a sham. Most of these morons COULDN'T have passed 4th grade English. One hundred chapters in a hundred and fifty pages!? What's this? MTV literature?

I hafta assume the majority of the reading public are morons. OTOH, at least they can read. :|

nb

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notbob

Eh, I never could get into historical adventures. That series was British Navy, wasn't it? I always found their caste system (echoed in our own military) very annoying. I only call people 'Sir' if think they deserve it.

Although I did read a detective novel recently that was set in DC right as civil war was closing, and the hero (an Army major) was getting in trouble for trying to track down some hardcore Southern miscreants that were plotting against Lincoln. (Different plot than the plot that did succeed, a couple months after the setting of the book.) It was pretty good. But it wasn't a series, so I guess it doesn't count for the current discussion. Can't remember the title or author offhand- I was at a relative's house, and it was a library book.

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aemeijers

The real start of organized religion was Og the caveman who watched his clan cowering from athunderstorm. The light dawned on him "hey, if I dress really wierd and toss a few bones around, these fools will believe me and I won't have to work a day in my life'

Harry K

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Harry K

That wouldn't be author Owen Parry and his Major Abel Jones, would it? Jones is a Welsh immigrant to the US who served on the Union side and was wounded in action, after which the military found another use for him: investigating various intrigues against the Union. Excellent series.

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Hell Toupee

I have the entire series. While I prefer the Aubrey/Maturin series, it's plain to see O'Brian was no stranger to Forester's books. Part of the attraction to O'Brians books is Aubrey's rollicking fun character compared to the Forester's almost obsessively uptight Hornblower. Also, Patrick rewards the hard work it takes readers to decipher his books with insights into that period I've never read in such minute detail, before.

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notbob

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