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On Mar 23, 1:36am, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

Prepping: Getting Started-Food Pantry
Preparing to increase your home food storage is a critical part of preparedness. Read this from the American Trucking Associations: When Trucks Stop America Stops
Significant shortages will occur in as little as three days, especially for perishable items following a national emergency and a ban on truck traffic. Minor shortages will occur within one to two days. At convenience stores and other small retailers with less inventory, shortages will occur much sooner.
Federal & Emergency agency recommendations are for a minimum of two (2) weeks. Read more HERE. Consider the possible response time of federal response agencies, the type of emergency situation that you are preparing for, your financial situation. Then consider preparing for a minimum of two (2) weeks and increasing your preparations as you are financially able.
The rule of thumb for food stocks is Stock what you Eat. Eat what you Stock. This will ensure that you are rotating foods that have a shorter shelf life than other foods in your storage. It will also help you maintain some semblence of normal in a stressful situation. From Food-Getting Started (GetPandemicReady.org ):
How can I ever do this? Start NOW, but dont defeat yourself. Break the task of stockpiling down into stages. Getting your pantry stocked for two weeks is a good initial goal. Simply write down what you eat over a two-week period. Then add a few extra items on each shopping trip. Look for specials and bulk purchases. Remember to add lunches for children who are normally at school,as well as infants and toddlers.
Once youve reached this goal, go for four weeks of food, then eight, and then twelve. In a few months, you will have a full pantry full of you kind of food.
Remember, the idea is NOT to always have gourmet meals, but to feed your family and keep them sustained as long as you possibly can, using the financial resources that you have available to you during the shopping you will be starting, now. So, where to start?
FIRST, to jump start your Emergency Food Pantry:
Consider Stretching Staples for your first purchase in your basic emergency stockpile for your pantry. Include: rice, beans, noodles and canned soups. When you add these 'stretching staples' together (Rice & Beans, Soup & Noodles) or add them to other food prep items you will get through a longer period of time. Add noodle or rice to your cans of meat.
Then: Canned goods store for a long, long time! Manufacture dates stamped on cans are a guide. They are not always set in stone for expiration. Buy a Little at a Time. If you are in a financial bind, purchasing one or two of something each time you shop will help you faster than you think. It builds up quick.
USE Store COUPONS! Take advantage of 10/$10 deals (just get 1 or 2, if the sale allows). Get the 'BOGO'('Buy One-Get One') specials. Look for specials & bulk dry goods.
consider foods with a long shelf life (cooking time remains a consideration).
Experiment with meals that can be made from pantry items.
Buy canned food in sizes that make the most sense. Consider how much you will use at once. Does the leftover product have to be refrigerated? Will food go to waste if the powers off?
(For Non-Food Items)Buy extra of ordinary items you use from week to week, so that you are not caught short - i.e., paper products, feminine hygiene products, baby needs, shaving cream, soap, shampoo, toothpaste, etc.
A great source of basic water information can be found on the GetPandemicReady website. Although the info was written for pandemic preparation ... it's good for any disaster preparation!(disclosure: I am a co-founder of the GPR site).
Pantry Preparation = Peace of Mind!
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On Mar 23, 1:36am, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

Prepping: Getting Started-Water
FIRST things FIRST! Consider beginning with an easy start: Water.
Store at LEAST 1 gallon (preferably 3 gallons) per person per day. One gallon would be for consumption the rest for cooking and sanitation). NOTE: You could die after THREE (3) days without water! Dont forget to include water for your pets! Water storage can be completed in a three-tier system:
Store bought water you purchase and have on hand, ahead of time Clean, empty containers that you store and fill up when you have advance warning of an emergency situation. The ability to filter and purify water that you may need to collect after the first two water sources are used up. Coffee filters (to filter) and bleach (to purify) are the simplest methods.
FIRST thing you can do:
Start to collect empty beverage containers to store water! Any plastic or glass container that previously held food or beverages such as 2-liter soda bottles or water, juice, punch or milk jugs, also may be used.
:caution: IF you save milk jugs ONLY use those to store 'grey' water! The bacteria in milk can leach into the milk jug plastic and contaminate future water stored in that same container.(So, use this water only for cleaning or flushing purposes! NOTE: It is NOT recommended that your fill the milk jugs ahead of time for long-term storage. They tend to pop pin-hole sized leaks :(. Keep the milk jugs and fill them if you see an emergency situation approaching. Then you can use this water quickly, and you will be emptying the container BEFORE they pop a leak! ;)).
To clean used jugs or bottles for future water storage, put a few drops of bleach in the containers and fill with water. Let your jug/ bottle soak for at least 20 min. Empty. Put cap back on and store till you are ready to fill.
Storage of jugs or bottles: Store your (light-weight) empty containers in bags, boxes, closets, attics -- where ever you have room till you need them. If you have the room, you may prefer to store some of the jugs/bottles filled with water (Remember: don't do this with the 'milk jugs'!). The filled ones will be heavy. Make sure you choose a sturdy location. DO NOT store your containers directly on concrete floors. The chemicals from the concrete can leach through the plastic into your water! Place wood, old piece of carpeting, old towels, etc. on the concrete first.
You'll feel like an instant prepper with this FREE start! For more water information go here: Water Storage: General Information
A great source of basic water information can be found on the GetPandemicReady website. Although the info was written for pandemic preparation ... it's good for any disaster preparation!(disclosure: I am a co-founder of the GPR site). Here are the three pages that you will find helpful in understanding your water preparation needs:
Water: Getting Started Water-Finding and Filtering Water-Emergency Purification
Starting your WATER preparations is an EASY-FREE start in getting your household prepared! There may be some expense in considering a way to filter & purify your water, if you use up your stored water. There are cheap options and there are more expensive options. That's something that you should read a bit more about and then decide on, as you get more involved in your home preparation activities.
So ... start saving those containers and you're on your way to 'prepping' for an emergency!
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This is very bad advice.
Fill every container now. If by some luck you have advance warning, empty and refill.
How long of a warning for an earthquake? Zero? Tornado? Minutes? Landslide? Missile attack?
Your advance warning is being given to you right now.
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On Mar 23, 1:36am, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

Top 100 Items to Disappear First During a National Emergency
1. Generators 2. Water Filters/Purifiers 3. Portable Toilets 4. Seasoned Firewood. 5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!) 6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much. 7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots. 8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks. 9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar 10. Rice Beans Wheat 11. Vegetable Oil 12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid 13. Water Containers 16. Propane Cylinders 17. Survival Guide Book. 18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. 19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc. 20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry) 21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene) 22. Vitamins 23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item) 24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products. 25. Thermal underwear 26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil) 27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item) 28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal) 29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many). 30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels 31. Milk Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months) 32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid)(A MUST) 33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST) 34. Colemans Pump Repair Kit 35. Tuna Fish (in oil) 36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room) 37. First aid kits 38. Batteries (all sizesbuy furthest-out for Expiration Dates) 39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies 40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food) 41. Flour, yeast & salt 42. Matches.{Strike Anywhere preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first 43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators 44. Insulated ice chests 45. Work boots, belts, Levis & durable shirts 46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches,No. 76 Dietz Lanterns 47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks 48. Garbage cans Plastic 49. Mens Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc 50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient) 51. Fishing supplies/tools 52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams 53. Duct Tape 54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/ spikes 55. Candles 56. Laundry Detergent (liquid) 57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags 58. Garden tools & supplies 59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies 60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc. 61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite) 62. Canning supplies,(Jars/lids/wax) 63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel 64. BicyclesTires/tubes/pumps/cha ins, etc 65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats 66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered) 67. Board Games, Cards, Dice 68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer 69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets 70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks) 71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water) 72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc. 73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave) 74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels) 75. Soy sauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soup base 76. Reading glasses 77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers) 78.Survival-in-a-Can 79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens 80. Boy Scout Handbook,/ also Leaders Catalog 81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO) 82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky 83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts 84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc.(extras) 85. Lumber (all types) 86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from) 87. Cots & Inflatable mattresss 88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc. 89. Lantern Hangers 90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts 91. Teas 92. Coffee 93. Cigarettes 94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,) 95. Paraffin wax 96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc. 97. Chewing gum/candies 98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing) 99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs 100. Livestock
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That shelter sure would be cozy with a couple of cows and pigs.
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Yeah but for those long nuclear winter nights... (g).
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"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to
koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
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Better make it sheep, then. Milk, meat, wool, and sex.
Cindy Hamilton
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On 3/24/2011 2:51 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

I didn't know you were from New Zealand. ^_^
TDD
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Country wrote:

Walmart did several computer simulations on what their stores ran out of during Florida hurricanes. The top two items were:
* Beer * Strawberry Pop Tarts
Now, as soon as a hurricane threatens land, countless Walmart 18-wheelers get on the road, moving south, with the needed victuals.
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important to get the souffle JUST RIGHT in times of turmoil and broohaha.

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"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to
koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
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What keeps stuff on the line, then?

Power the electric fence you'll need to keep away people wanting to steal your cache of trash bags.

Great way to carry off the dead, though.

Not very good eating. A Havahart rabbit and squirrel trap would be more useful.

Geez. Grow a beard. Stockpile something more important!

Probably a pretty useful trade item. Ask any ex-con. A few cartons of Marlboros might just be enough to raise an army of nicotine addicts to do your post-disaster/war bidding.

How do you pack them with the rest of the gear in your fallout shelter without them dying?
I say stockpile just a few small, compact necessities, and the rest you can bargain for:
Real pain medication (Oxycontin/morphine - not ibuprophen!), cigarettes, booze, bullets, baby food, chocolate, coffee and postage stamps for when Kevin Costner restarts the USPS.
-- Bobby G.
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We dry inside - big savings on the gas bill - the only problem being lint. All that stuff that *used* to get caught in the dryer's lint trap gets stuck on the clothes. Still looking for a solution to that problem.

Dude, that's work! Set it, forget it, come back to get dinner the next day. The BB gun might be useful in keeping poachers and larger animals away from the traps although I'd prefer the .223 Ruger for that.

Depending on the nature of the disaster, pain meds could be worth far more than gold, especially to people dying slowly of radiation poisoning. Ibuprophen ain't going to cut it.
-- Bobby G.
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Strait jacket if the delusions get any worse?
Harry K
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snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote in

how about some solar panels,a battery charging system and DC-AC inverter. Lot's of DVD movies and a player.(I suggest "A Boy and his Dog";1975,Don Johnson) a water filtration and purification system.
Firearms and ammo,to help you KEEP your lives,shelter and supplies; a rifle for long range(and hunting),handguns for close range,indoors.
What do you plan to use for cooking/heating energy? (besides electricity) propane,gasoline,sterno,wood,Coleman fuel are some options. You could put in a nice big propane tank,and also use it for a gas stove in your house,and a barbecue grill.
did you see the reports about a little radiation being GOOD(healthy) for you? Seriously.
besides,your area may already have a high background radiation level.
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Utter nonesense. Why would everyone need to wear whiteface when they'd all be white as goth geeks, naturally? At least it managed to avoid the annoying dirt-n-sticks cheapness of ALL those post Road Warrior cliches. Plus, Jason Robards makes my skin crawl in any movie. He's a hundred times scarier in The Night They Raided Minskey's. That was some serious clown phobic scary!
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On Mar 22, 11:36pm, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

If you are stocking it for anti-radiation protection you are wasting your time...unless it is the size of a warehouse. You cannot fit enough food (especiatlly canned goods that take up lots of space) in the usual shelter to provide for more than about a week. That won't do you much good.
Harry K
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On 3/23/2011 1:36 AM, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

Don't forget your Tinfoil Sombrero.
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On 3/23/2011 11:37 AM, LdB wrote:

Tin is an expensive metal, use aluminum foil which is readily available. :-)
TDD
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:36:10 -0600, JoseGomez wrote:

You're missing the fact that the Half Life of Cesium 137 and radioactive Iodine is hundreds of years.
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"A. Baum" wrote:

The half life on the iodine is listed as 8 days, the cesium around 30 years.
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