Fallout Shelter Supplies

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I'm preparing for the nuclear radiation coming here to the US from Japan.
My father built our underground fallout shelter in the 1950s, but never equipped it with supplies. In the last week I have furnished it with canned food, (incl pet food), cookware, bottled water, flashlights, battery radio, spare batteries, spare car battery for ventilation system, candles, matches + lighters, first aid kit with common OTC meds, Potassium Iodide tablets, prescription meds, hand tools and knife, table and chairs, blankets - cots - & sleeping bags, portable camping toilet and toilet paper. Calendar, wrist watch, Pens, pencils, paper, crayons and a few toys for the kids, Plus spare clothing, including heavy winter clothing if nuclear winter occurs. I have also run electrical lines to it for if the power is working, and taken in a tv set and laptop computer, along with putting an antenna on top and running in a phone line for both landline phone and dialup internet access. I hope to pipe in an actual water line from our well by the end of the weekend, if the electric power is working, we will have fresh water.
What other supplies are needed? Am I missing anything?
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On 3/23/2011 1:36 AM, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

There is something very important missing from all of those who fear that radiation from the damaged nuclear reactors in Japan is coming to get them. Are you ready? The missing item is <*BRAINS*>. It is quite unfortunate that at this late date it will be impossible for any of you deranged morons to acquire any <*BRAINS*> because a brain is something that has to be nurtured, fed and exercised for it to become something useful rather than a big gob of goo to fill your skull. It may be too late for you but perhaps not too late for your young kids if you have any. Get them out of government schools and make the financial sacrifices to put them into a private school where they may have a better chance of graduating with a working brain. I'm so sorry for your loss. ^_^
TDD
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wrote:

laugh all you want, but its better to be overprepared, than underprepared.......
bet the japanese would be happy to have a stocked fallout shelter right now.
did you know that last year the US had 14 nuke plant close calls. I I had the bucks i would have a shelter.
food supplies in the US are very just in time, requiring daily deliveries to your local grocery store, the back room has little stock nearly zero.
in a true disaster the grocery stores will be wiped out in hours, and most people have little food in the pantry.
buy shelf stable food like spaghetti and bottled sauce, it might be boring but it will fill your tummy.
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wrote:

It's because you're not praying hard enough!
Seriously, though, watching my dog and the associations she makes with random events makes me believe that as soon as the first virgin was killed and some bad thing like a famine ended, the die was cast and religion was born. The strong belief in an afterlife is sadly quite easily explained by the dreams people must have had about their dead relatives. Going to sleep and seeing people long gone in your dreams could easily lead to a belief in a spirit world. Imagine what that must have seemed like to primitive people who had no knowledge of science or the brain. The dead were clearly not in THIS world anymore, but they were very much in that other world of the night.
What worries me is that first religion said: live right and God won't punish you in the here and now. Then it was live right and get to the afterlife. Then came you don't have to even live right, Jesus fixed it. Then it was "kill for Allah" and get a great condo in Heaven with full benefits, 78 virgins and a river of yogurt outside your door. It's like Big Business, promising benefits they'll never have to deliver on to get a workforce in the here and now.
-- Bobby G.
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Heh....
You been listening to yer old Edie Brickell CD, haven't you.
Philosophy is the talk on a cereal box Religion is the smile on a dog --Young Bohemians

Milton musta been dreaming about his ex. lol...
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wrote:

killed
was
Have to confess I've not heard of her, although it sounds like I should have. Not much music beyond the 70's and 80's has made it into my library. Mostly new music comes from something I hear on TV and kind find on Amazon by searching for the lyrics. I see she was born in 1966. Probably wasn't doing much music in the 70's
http://www.ediebrickell.com /
Sounds interesting.

punish
afterlife.
I'd love to know what my dog dreams about. She yips, twitches, her eyes roll around and even her tail wags when she's dreaming. Perhaps a world where dogs run things.
-- Bobby G.
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<snip>
The real start of organized religion was Og the caveman who watched his clan cowering from athunderstorm. The light dawned on him "hey, if I dress really wierd and toss a few bones around, these fools will believe me and I won't have to work a day in my life'
Harry K

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The real start of organized religion was Og the caveman who watched his clan cowering from athunderstorm. The light dawned on him "hey, if I dress really wierd and toss a few bones around, these fools will believe me and I won't have to work a day in my life'
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I suspect it's one of the questions we'll never have a real answer to. But as we've both conjectured, it almost certainly had something to do with Og or someone managing to take credit for something random he had no real effect on but that other tribe members believed he did.
The last truly primitive societies are probably where we could study how "medicine men" arise out of a tribal collection of individuals. However, I don't think there's a single one left that hasn't been "contaminated" by contact with modern man. In almost every article I read about them, they're wearing Nikes and shrewdly trading trinkets to anthropologists for worthwhile items like steel knives and such. (How's that for a reversal of the deal for Manhattan island!)
I recall reading that Neanderthals did not trade amongst themselves while Cro-magnon man did. That leads me to believe that "business" is built into our genes. Trading amongst individuals apparently conferred some sort of survival skill that allowed Cro-Magnon man to get the edge on their Neanderthal brothers. I suspect it was the trading of ever-more sophisticated arrow and spear tips that sealed the deal.
-- Bobby G.
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Yes, we need luscious, tasty brains...oh wait that is after the radiation, ...never mind.
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HOOKERS,cause you will be dead in 1950 hole in the ground!!!! Jr
http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/MyWoodWorkingPage
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On 3/23/2011 2:36 AM, snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

Seriously,troll aside, where is the Mormon when you need him? If ours doesn't show, you will have to find your own. They know about such things.
Jeff

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The fact that it won't do you any good if the radiation kills everyone else. There will be no power for your well, no power for anything, no way to live above ground for 50 more years.
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wrote

At last. Someone with some sense.
Steve
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snipped-for-privacy@aol-dotcom.com wrote:

Of course a "fall out shelter" is not a single-purpose device. It can also be used to survive in a natural disaster such as tornadoes or hurricanes. It can be a sanctuary in times of civil unrest. It can also be a game room in normal times.
That said, bear these other uses in mind. For example, an opening-outward door will resist battering. If your outside door must open inward, then mount it to the side of the stairwell so the do-bads can't use a long timber as a battering ram.
Of course in times of devastation, caused either by man or nature, the aftermath may be worse than the precipitating event. You must stockpile arms and ammunition. A lot of ammunition. An absolute minimum of 1,000 rounds for each weapon, and at least one weapon for each family member (including kids). With sufficient ammunition, all other items are obtainable.
One interesting trick is to take a 6" PVC pipe, stuff it with non-perishable food, and bury it. Do this about three times. The purpose is not necessarily to provide food for you, it is to appease the armed scavengers who may capture you or a loved one, demanding food. You can point them to one of your "stashes" and they will probably release you.
There are uncountably many web-sites chock-a-block full of Armageddon tips. It can be an interesting, and possibly practical, hobby to pursue.
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Which will not open if covered by explosion debris, avalanche, or landslide.

Good point. Perhaps a swinging door.

Or coffee!! Read the book, Alas, Babylon, by Pat Frank. Personally, I'd build an adjoining bunker and fill it with Wild Turkey.

What!? And not waste 'em with a withering fusillade from your M-eleventy-16 tactical sub-para-machine pistol slash grenade launcher with fluted/supressed bull barrel and trijcon ascom sights and octagonal pickatinney laser rail system? And you call youself a survivor! What ya' gonna do with that 1000 rnds of ammo? Put 'em in your purse and hit 'em over the head?

Watch the TV movie, The Day After. It'll make you rethink any desire to survive a post-apocalyptic world. None of those fun-filled dirt-n'-sticks movies ol' Jew baiter Gibson made looks so exciting. As a scarred for life dive-under-your-desks child of the horrifying 50s, TDA was the one terrifying-possibility movie that still chills me to the bone, one of the few movies I've never watched twice.
Don't forget to plumb in branch water. ;)
nb
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wrote:

opening-outward
landslide.
timber
Doors? Surplus submarine waterproof hatch that you can dog from the inside is more like what you'd need. In fact, it would probably be a good idea to buy and bury a whole diesel sub. You get a pressure hull, hatches, diesel generators, fuel tanks, living quarters and torpedo tubes. If you've only got 2.3M there's http://www.silohome.com /

for
Guardsmen in Florida after Andrews consistently report being outgunned by the locals. They got to Charlton Heston in the Omega Man and he was armed to the teeth. (-:

I didn't think anyone else in the world had read that book. Don't take hot jewelry in trade for anything. It could be very, very hot. I ended up marrying someone who was very much like the heroine of the book, Lib, with the same name, too. Serendipity doo! Saw it first as a Playhouse 90 presentation. I wonder if that version still exists anywhere?

non-perishable
necessarily
Best to keep a low profile and not let anyone know you're there. After Andrew people organized into gangs that would make defending nearly any single family dwelling impossible.

tips.
Humans are survivors. I think TDA was unrealistic in that respect. Look at what people live through today (wars, famine, tidal waves, earthquakes, American Idol). The end of the world scenario that got to me was TZ with Burgess Meredith locked in a deep vault, the only survivor of a global war with all the time in the world now to read his books - until his only pair of glasses breaks!
Now THAT'S depressing!
Remember the Anasazi? They moved to concealed cliff dwelling reachable only by rope that had narrow "choke point" access while providing line of sight to the other encampments to provide fast alerts to invaders and they still all got wiped out. Eaten by other native Americans, so the legend goes (except among the native Americans). When times get tough, they can get very tough.
-- Bobby G.
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I'd get an old nuclear sub, then you wouldn't have to worry about fuel.
--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to
koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
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wrote:

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Too expensive. The USN uses old nuke subs as training vessels. Several of the ones my Dad helped build are now beached in Washington state somewhere, IIRC. They are retired suprisingly early - about 30 years. I saw the Daniel Webster launched in 1963 and it's a now a trainer and has been for a while. I imagine their reactors and weapons are stripped, though. I hope their reactors and weapons are stripped. I'd hate to think of someone taking one of them for a joy ride.
A good diesel sub like the Russky Kilo:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/877.htm
might actually be the best solution. Runs on diesel fuel you can get from any passing merchant ship at the point of your deck gun. Who's going to try to break in when you're at sea? As long as you're out there, why not even move to a place not in crisis? If we all put in a million dollars, we might be able to buy one. They're currently selling at $3.2 billion for a six-pack:
http://www.global-military.com/tag/kilo-class-submarines
I think the Russians, having learned from us, are screwing them on ancillary support and maintenance equipment and the Vietnamese are balking and rightfully so.
Still, they're a nice, quiet boat. In service all over the world like the AK-47. Double-hulled, too. Probably a very good place to wait out most calamities. As HeyBub will attest, the Sovs and friends make some damn serviceable and affordable weapons, large and small.
-- Bobby G.
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http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/break-it-down/3859/Photos
I used to have a link to pics of a doz nuke subs in various stages of dismantlement, but can no longer find it. I saw some when I took a trip to Port Townsend WA about 10 yrs ago. Bremerton, I think.
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somewhere,
It's too sad to look at. Sub launches were always a big deal to the people who helped build them. It was a little like sending your kids off to college. A mixture of pride and sadness. And a very impressive sight to see a big sub sliding into the water for the first time.
I still recall the big hubbub about Aurora's very detailed model of a nuke sub that my dad bought me. TPTB decided that it was TOO accurate and demanded that it be taken off the market. As if a) the Russkies didn't already have detailed construction plans and b) that stopping sales of a model that had already sold 1,000's of units was going to be helpful to NatSec in any way.
-- Bobby G.
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