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On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:29:44 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

That's too much to hope for, where government bureaucrats are involved.
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Again, I blame the lawyers ...
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Congress and large stretches of the bureaucracy are made up of lawyers.
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Exactly my point.
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As I see it, it's as step in the wrong direction. Ethanol is still mandated. There may be a severe shortage because of this.

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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

You are correct. There is no shortage of food, just a shortage of cheap food.

People should pay their "fair share" for food, just like millionaires should contribute their "fair share" in taxes?

"Need" is never the criteria in America. WANT is, and should be, the only determining factor.
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bollocks. brazilian ethanol is much more energy efficient to produce, somewhat on the order of 9 or 10 times less energy input to produce a gallon as compared to corn (and they grow a shitload of it in Florida) Ethanol from corn is made from field corn which is almost always used as animal feed. In the process of making ethanol the DDGS are sold to ranchers at a cost that is less than the equivalent whole corn cost. the DDGS is higher in protein than whole corn so the rancher needs less DDGS than whole corn and they get it at a reduced price. So how can the cost of food (which means beef) go up?
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Because it's government madated, and everythign government madated increases the price.
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equivalent whole corn cost. the DDGS is higher in protein than whole corn so the rancher needs less DDGS than whole corn and they get it at a reduced price. So how can the cost of food (which means beef) go up?
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:12:28 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

Beef is NOT the only way humans eat corn--- You need to get out into the real world and see how the other 90+% live. Here in North America people eat sweet corn, and people eat animals that eat field corn. And we eat wheat. And we eat, wear, and use all kinds of things that contain CORN - which is not "sweet corn" or "table corn". High fructose corn syrup is the most predominant sweetener used in foods of all sorts in North America. Corn Starch is used in all kinds of foods, as well as industrial plastics and other processes. In MOST of the rest of the world, sweet corn is not even AVAILABLE, and "field corn" or "grain corn" or "maize" is THE staple food. In the developing world you eat Cassava, Manioc, Rice, Maize, or Millet. And you eat it, if you extremely fortunate, for 3 meals a day. MOST live on 2 meals a day or less.
When the world price of corn goes up 15%, it can mean the difference between a family being able to eat 2 meals a day and barely being able to afford ONE.
And when corn prices go up, the prices of the local alternatives, whether Manioc, Millet, Cassava, or rice also go up because of demand.
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:44:43 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

Boy, do YOU have a narrow view of the world!!!!!
You are totally ignorant about how 90+% of the world lives.

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:46:06 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

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On Dec 28, 9:12pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-

OK, let's take a look at how that's possible. You say DDGS, the byproduct of corn from distillation, costs less than pure corn. The question is how much less? If it's say 25% less, then with the price of corn doubling and tripling, it's easy to explain how the price of beef went up. Even though DDGS is cheaper than corn today, it's still a lot more expensive than corn was before the diversion to ethanol.
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:40:41 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

there was no market for DDGS, the price would drop - but because it can be used as a replacement for high-priced corn, the price WILL (and does) rise with the price of corn.
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On Dec 30, 12:47am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-

No one said it would be higher than corn. What you claimed was that the price of beef is not sensitive to corn prices because farmers can use DDGS and that DDGS pricing is not related to corn pricing. With corn prices tripling, anything that comes from corn will go up with it as well. The substitute doesn't even have to come from corn. If you have two commodities that can be used interchangeably, say soy beans and corn, if one triples, the other isn't going to stay constant, it will rise too.
and most certainly will tend to be stable. Don't

Which has nothing to do with anything.
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:47:57 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

effective at moving materials from source to market. What a dipstick!
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On Dec 29, 2:40pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-

Junk cars and air conditioners are waste products too. But the price of those tracks the price of iron, copper, and aluminum.

I can it's tripled.
but as the price of corn rises,

If you don't even know the price of corn over the last few years, what does that say about your credibility in the whole discussion?
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:49:59 -0800 (PST), " snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net"

He's likely never even BEEN on a farm, much less worled or lived on one - and has never had to look at the price of corn - much less had his livelihood depend on it.
His credibility in this discussion?? Zilch. Or less.
I'm beginning to think he lives under a bridge in a fairy tale, myself
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:12:28 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

Nine or ten? No, more like three (cane vs. corn) with another three *perhaps* possible, using switchgrass.
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you might say that, but no rational person would
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On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:13:27 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"

Dennis did, therefore...
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