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Power company came out today and replaced the old mechanical meter with the new fancy-schmancy one.
Chatting up the meter-man, I learned:
1. The old meters are going to be junked. Not sold to Mexico or Lithuania like the 'phone company did with their mechanical central office stuff. We're talking, oh, one million meters in a city of 5.5 million. That's a pretty big pile.
2. His quota is 60-100 meters swapped out per day.
3. One purpose is to allow the meter to be read from the street.
4. It is alleged I can check my meter on the 'net. We'll see.
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HeyBub wrote:

Now it is happening where you live? Here power, gas, water meter is all read remotely. I heard they can even do it using the bird in the future. The option is already there and a mtter of activating it.
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HeyBub wrote:

They are coming here by 2012.
They will communicate with the power company using wireless technology (no more meter readers).
They will report power outages and the restoration of power automatically.
The will constantly report usage so that the power company can adjust the generation to just meet the needs and conserve resources (i.e. water behind dams - hydro electric)
Smart appliances will communicate with the meter and if there is no hurry start automatically when the rate drops (rates are/will be tiered so that it will be cheaper at curtain times of the day).
They even say we will be able to control light switches remotely from their web-page (I assume that will mean replacing switches to a wireless type)?
Soon your appliances and switches will be reporting to the mother ship...
http://preview.tinyurl.com/232gjbv
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(rates are/will be tiered

Yeah, that was the pitch given by the politicians, it sounded pie in the sky, and in this area has proven to be so. Yes, rates are tiered, and some times they are cheaper than other times, but never cheaper than they were under the old flat rate. Possibly the midnight to 6:00 am may get close to the old all day rate, but watch out for the supper hour rate, you may be tempted to shut all power off at that time.
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On 6/18/2010 18:05, HeyBub wrote:

There's not much of a market for such labor-intensive stuff.

Yup. Just break the seal, take the old meter reading, pop out the old meter, pop the new one in, seal it, and scan the bar code. Service is interrupted just long enough to cause refrigerators to overload.

Or by radio or carrier-current. That's the primary motivator for changing them. Service can also be controlled remotely -- they can easily cut you off for non-payment.

True, depending on the utility. It also allows for time-of-day pricing. See <http://www.pge.com/smartmeter for the spin from a utility that has been the source of considerable public criticism over smart meter implementation.
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Please provide the name of the manufacturer and the model number for a meter that can actually open the service conductors. -- Tom Horne
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Andy comments: Solid state relay devices at these power levels have been available for two decades. It is a non-prolem.
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Hope you all enjoy those fancy new meters. They are brought to you courtesy of the fed govt and $3Bil more of our deficit. And like most new spending, it was justified with a pack of lies. An example being, that this was needed and is critical for solar and wind power being delivered to your home. Funny I see all these new solar installs popping up here without smart meters.
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So, the Fed removes money from me by force. Spends it on things I don't want, and expects me to vote Democrat next time, so we can do this even more?
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Stormin Mormon wrote:

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all, By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul, But though we had plenty of money, there was nothing money could buy, And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said "If you don't work, you die."
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Democrat, Republican, or Federalist. Democracy, Socialist, Communist, feudal. That is what government does. -- Doug
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wrote:

Government started out as a banding together for common defense. Very useful when the Vikings pull into your seaside village in their longboats. I took an econ. course once that described the rise of government and it's clear the shift occurred when instead of having to fight for your lord for X months of the year, you could pay off your debt of service with provisions or gold.
Once taxation began, it tended to ratchet up until rebellions happened. I can't recall a society that didn't snowball. When the revenue starts flowing, it all gets spent and the temptation is to raise taxes, not cut expenditures in almost every society that ever collected taxes. The US is a perfect example - we were born out of a hatred of increasing English taxation.
Smart meters have been shown to have an enormous potential to cut down on electrical consumption. But that feature, I assume, is at the bottom of the list for the companies implementing them. To them, it represents a cost savings (fewer meter readers) and a way to exert greater control remotely.
-- Bobby G.
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snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

Around here, Dallas, Texas, we get to pay $2.19 a month for 11 years to pay for those meters. Aren't we blessed. -- Doug
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:14:17 -0500, Douglas Johnson

A couple days ago, the Public Service Commission in Maryland refused some electric company permission to put in meters that would enalbe billing by time-of-day.
The electric co. spokesman said that each homeowner would save 1400 over the life of, or some period of time, and the meters were only 200 dollar so it was a good deal. So I guess the customer would have to pay the 200. That must be why the PSC said no.
We do have electronic meters that be read from their office, but I can see how this would have to be fancier.
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On 6/18/2010 10:03 PM, Bob wrote:

Our electric utility is a little better than that. They require meter bases to have manual bypass. They changed all of the meters out here maybe 4 years ago. I pulled in just as the guy was walking down the front steps. He clipped the seal, opened the cover and connected jumpers to the bypass tabs and was then able to swap the meter without service interruption.

They do it by carrier current here.

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On 6/18/2010 9:03 PM, Bob wrote:

UH, not.

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And all the TV's and devices to reset, and some cable channels off for a half hour or so while the cable box reset. Mine was done on Tuesday, and the power was only off about 20 seconds max. What was more irritating to me, is that my meter is on the back wall outside, and he slammed the wall several times during installation, causing 3 of my music boxes to come off the shelves inside. One broke, but I was able to glue it back together. Ah, progress.
Cheri
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Cheaper, late night pricing could be nice!
Couple of minor points; our meter reader says he's supposed, at the moment to be able to sit in his car out in thstreet and read meter remotely. Doesn't always work and he has to walk to nearer the meter!
Secondly; sending the info via the electric power lines is being banned in some countries because it can cause serious interference to radio communications. The effect will vary from area to area depending on the amount of radio broadcasting, off the air TV etc. But some years ago a Civil Defense exercise in Austria had to be cancelled because 'Power Line carrier/digital' signals disrupted the radio signals to ambulances! For meters the alternatives may be the inter- net or your phone line (if you still have one!).
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On 6/18/2010 8:05 PM, HeyBub wrote:

I view Smart Meters with the same suspicion that I have for OnStar. Perhaps I'm just paranoid? Aluminum foil hats don't work, it's already been tried.
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet /
TDD
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On Jun 19, 12:57am, The Daring Dufas <the-daring-

YES BUT HAVE YOU TRIED GROUNDING YOUR TIN HAT USE A 14awg STRANDED CONDUCTOR WHEN YOU USE IT [:-)]
I AM PROTEUS
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