I've bought a few things on Ebay. Somtimes I do OK. Other
times, I've ended up paying too much.
I'd like to get some hints from you out there in newsgroup
and maybe learn from you.
I'll also share what all I've learned.
Christopher A. Young
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maybe if you pray enough jesus will help you. sorry, couldnt resist.
you already know the problem. you said it yourself. you pay too much. the
only way to stop doing that is to stop typing higher numbers in and bidding.
what this requires is patience and discipline. use ebay completed items
searches to help determine a fair price, and stick to it. if current market
value is more than you want to pay be prepared to wait or not get one at
all. come up with a total price you will be happy with including shipping,
find an item and bid that amount minus what the seller wants for shipping.
if you dont bid too much you cant pay too much. and i know its easier said
On Fri, 7 May 2004 23:11:03 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Download ebaybuy.pdf from the Guru's Lair --- Link on this page;
Don Lancaster is an entertaining writer. He also has some definite
opinions & I agree with a lot of them. [If you're wondering if he's
the same Don Lancaster that wrote for Popular Science in the 60's --
yes it is.]
He has a wealth of info for buying and selling on that site-- Also
check out news:alt.marketing.online.ebay where he is a regular.
If you like to start out knowing something about an author-- his
"unauthorized autobiography" is at
bid the maximum amount you are willing to spend during the last 20
seconds or so of the auction. There are no unique items on ebay. I
have seen an item sell for 100.00 one week and thru searching I have
later on purchased the same item for pennies.....well dimes on the
bid only once.......and like I said bid what you are comfortable
paying for the item.
this is just my opinion, but i think the whole last 20 seconds of bidding is
a fallacy. if i bid my full amount the first day of the auction ill still
outbid you if you dont bid higher. if the auction is still really low in
price near the end, what is gonna happen is 3-4 people are gonna bid low on
it in the last few seconds thinking they will steal it, and my bid will top
them all. since they waited so long they cannot rebid and in the end i will
get the low price, not the last 20 second bidders unless they outbid me in
which case it wouldnt matter.
ive tried to 'steal' auctions before, it never works.
but im sure someone could write a whole thesis on when and how to bid.
everyone has their own style.
Well, it helps if one has a broadband connection :-) Sniping works very
well as long as one follows the "rules".....bid your (previously
researched)_maximum_ bid _one_time in the last minutes/seconds of the
That's true, but I bet you've seen quite a few of your "high" bids get out
bid _days_ before the end of the auction. Snipers will watch an auction,
and if it goes over their previously researched max bid that they had in
mind, they just move on. It's quite entertaining to watch an auction go
_way_ over the "Buy It Now" price days before it ends.
Not always. That why this sniper isn't a lowballer, _those_ are the kind of
people most snipers are trying to avoid. A sniper will bid his/her _max_
bid _one_ time during the last minute/seconds of the auction. At least
he/she won't see their bid nibbled away by lowballers and nibblers.
That's just it, snipers do _not_ rebid. They place their high bid _one_
time within the last few minutes/seconds of the auction. Since I'm placing
my high bid, I could care less if I'm out bid. Again, at least I don't see
my bid nibbled away because there is no time for that.
Probably because you tried to lowball. One doesn't "steal" an auction, the
highest bid wins, or in the event of a tie, the earliest high bid, period.
People who complain about being sniped obviously didn't place their highest
bid....i.e., they were lowballing.
And they have.....all one needs to do is check the ebay discussion boards
for websites on how to bid.
Actually, the high bidder wins - but at the second highest
bidder's maximum price (plus some incremental bid amount).
The winner never pays more than the second highest
bidder's maximum, plus the small incremental amount.
i.e. if I put a maximum in at 150.00, and the second highest
bidder's maximum was 98.00 - I win the auction at 99.00 (not 150).
Because of this, I think it is better to wait until the
last coupla seconds to bid (or snipe). If anything, waiting
until the last few seconds makes it appear that there is
less interest in the item (at least one less buyer interested).
For auctions with just a handful of interest, one less
interested party can significantly influence the final price.
People are influenced by the current bid price when they type in
their maximum bid amount. So, as the current bid amount rises so
do people's maximum bid amounts. Waiting until the last seconds
of an auction to bid keeps the current bid low thereby keeping
the maximums low as well.
If I want to win an auction, I wait until the last few seconds
of an auction, then I bid double or triple the "current bid" of the
last few minutes. I win the auction at just over the highest amount
anyone else in the market is willing to pay. Of course, I don't
do this if the maximum in the last few minutes is over what I'm
willing to pay.
On Fri, 7 May 2004 23:11:03 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Do research on the item to determine a fair price and stick to it. I
know it's easy to get caught up in the bidding. This takes discipline
and a willingness to let the item go if the price is not what you
want. Otherwise, you will pay too much.
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Okay, I've read a lot of posts on this topic and some are getting very close
to getting it right.
Let me give you my perspective on bidding.
First and most important, find out what the going price is for the item.
Look at retail prces. On eBay, search the completed auctions.
Next, be honest with yourself. How much are you willing to pay. If you are
honest, you will not be in the situation of "I could have bid a dollar
Then when you bid be aware of proxy bidding. Look it up on eBay. You bid
your maximum amount. eBay will put in a bid for you that will make you the
top bidder without exceeding your maximum. It will only increase your bids
by the amount required to be top bidder and will not divulge your maximum.
Now you don't have to babysit the auction to guard against that last minute
hotshot who is trying to snipe.
There is an interesting set of auctions that are ending today. They are for
a software manual. One is a straight forward auction. Tthe shipping is
$2.25. The other is a "buy it now" sale wher the seller has 6 copies. He
wants $16 plus $4 shipping or $20 total. The first one listed also is ending
I want that book. I placed a proxy bid for $17.75. That would give me the
same $20 total as the later buy it now deal. Maybe I could catch a bargain.
So what happened. I just checked on eBay and some fool has a top bid of
$20.50 + the $2.75 shipping for the auctioned book and I bought one of the
books in the buy it now sale for $20 total.
And that in my opinion (humble or not) is the sane way to to survive on
Try it, you'll like it.
Charlie, usually a buyer but sometimes a seller.
Fool is the right word. I stopped buying books on eBay a long time
ago, after someone put in sky high bids on the same book in two
auctions, won both, and then contacted me trying to weasel out of the
second auction since I was the next highest bidder. Had already given
up and bought one elsewhere.
With books, as long as you have an ISBN you're better off looking on
Amazon, or even eBay's sister site, Half.com. Also avoids getting
gouged on shipping, another eBay "issue."
Mary, I must reply. First, the book I was looking for generally comes
bundled with the software and is not offered for sale as a stand alone item.
Secondly, I have a book on order with abebooks that was done via Amazon.
The order was placed 4/11. When I tried to track the order, abebooks
reported a shipping date of 4/13 When it was slow coming, I sent abebooks
an email asking for verification that the book was shipped and the date.
That email was not answered. On 5/3 I sent another email asking for the
same information. This time I got an answer on 5/4 stating that the book was
shipped on "Friday'. That would be 4/30. So there they were caught in a
As of 5/8 the book has not arrived. It is only a day or two away from being
a whole month.
When Amazon sends me the request for feedback, I will not be kind.
On Sun, 9 May 2004 14:18:54 -0400, "Charlie Bress"
That's quite a different matter. Although it's possible a secondhand
bookdealer might have a copy, if anyone would.
That's all very annoying, I know, but it's also very odd.
Abebooks.com doesn't sell books. The individual booksellers sell the
books. You should have been dealing with a particular bookstore, not
abebooks, because it's just a web site that the bookstores connect to.
I've always gone directly to abebooks.com, not through Amazon. I've
never had any problems with buying books through abebooks.com; every
book has arrived quickly and in the specified condition. I've been
buying through them for six or seven years now. I can't help but
wonder if your problem is Amazon.
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
I second your overall support of Abebooks-- though if I remember
correctly they are the folks who put me in touch with bamm [books a
million] and ecampus - neither of which will ever get any business
from me again.
I buy 25-30 used books a year from whoever has the best price on abe
or bookfinder.com & those are the only two businesses that have
screwed with me. [both of them said they had a book-- delayed for
weeks telling me they didn't -- and continued to list the book as
Abe books claims 12,000 independent booksellers list their books
through Abe-- Bookfinder.com boasts 60,000. Both are great. [as is
addall.com & usedbookfind.com who I've used in the past]
[and to get this back to 'on topic' -- I've bought a number of owner's
manuals & home repair books through bookfinder.com]
Ebay is easy.
If you like it, use it.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
Just don't whine about it.
Whining about it is like ordering a steak, eating it, and then sending back
the empty plate with your complaint.
Ebay is just like life. It isn't fair. Every child should learn that by
the age of five. Instead, they are taught the liberal idea of going to
someone for "justice." Thus, they are primed for a society and government
whom everyone can run to when they have a problem. "I just poured hot
coffee in my lap, and it's McDonald's fault because it is too hot." "I just
cut my finger with a kitchen knife, and there is no protective guard on the
Sheesh, people. Either adjust or shut up.
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