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the government only has what powers the Constitution authorizes it to have. That's the concept of "limited government" that Obama and the "progressives"(communists) are so hot to destroy.

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So, the interstate highway system is unconstitutional, too, then? Do you refrain from driving on it?
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Construction of Federal highways (to enable mail delivery) is actually one of the explicitly enumerated powers of Congress:
"The Congress shall have the power ... to establish post offices and post roads ..." [Article I, Section 8, seventh clause]
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:44:17 -0500, Dean Hoffman

Well, you have that. and then there is the federal law.
I cannot claim protection under the 5th Amendment, affording me protection from self incrimination, when they send me a Census form.
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The courts have also tossed out the FBI when it tried to serve warrants on the Census Bureau. FWIW
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Fill them both out. Differently.
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I maybe ought not have asked. I'm trying to decide how much to put on my form.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:

The constitutional requirement is to count noses, nothing more. But Congress did pass a law at some point, allowing them to ask all sorts of other questions. For Our Own Good, of course, so they could properly pass out all the 'free' federal money that never should have been collected in the first place. A favorite pet peeve of mine- they steal our money, then give some back, minus their cut of course, and they have the sheeple so well conditioned that they are grateful to get it. Most of the stuff the feds give aid money to state and local governments for, should have been financed at the local level in the first place. (And if the people that benefit from a service are not willing to pay for it, well, maybe it shouldn't happen?)
Making such a high percentage of the tax money flow through Washington is nothing but a power grab, making state and local governments close to irrelevant. Getting all that keen demographic data from the census process may make their job easier, but much of what they ask for is none of their damn business.
And on a pragmatic side rant, as we approach April 15- since the power grab by Washington is long since a fait accompli, why do we still need to file multiple tax returns? (especially since many states and localities now require duplicates of some of the federal forms with their returns.) Close to 2/3 of all returns are now e-filed, either directly or through a commercial preparer. Just have one big computer in the sky, and dole out the money based on address of the filer. For the logo of this new system, I suggest the taxman and his ax-man sidekick from the 'Hagar the Horrible' comic strip.
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Being able to "hand out money" is power. that's what it's about. more bureaucracy means less freedom.

OTOH,kinda hard to build Interstate highways when a few states say no to their part.
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Jim Yanik wrote: (snip)

some glorious fubars in the execution, not to mention lotsa pork-barreling in the routing and picking of contractors, Ike's Autobahn system has been one of the few federally-driven major projects that has worked pretty well. (Although without it, Walmart likely never would have made it out of Arkansas...)
This is way OT already, so I'll pass on commenting on the pork passed out to cities and quasi-governmental agencies for 'redevelopment'. (Well, one little comment- I've been in this town almost 30 years, and the old downtown, and the old rich parts of town that have been slums for sixty years, have been continuously executing federally-assisted 'redevelopment' plans since I got here. Get a clue, folks- it ain't working.)
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We agree: Each of us should build our own roads, we don't need police, the CIA/FBI, or the army, agencies such as the FCC, the Air safety people and Air Traffic Control, and the FDA are unnecessary. If planes crash or food is tainted or the sausages made of of horse manure, what the heck! It's our own business what we eat! It's our job to look after ourselves. For example; by owing guns we are all in the 'The militia'. And responsible for our own defence.Right? All this nonsense about border patrols/control ....... a lot of bunk! We don't need better government control of the financial system, banks, investment/finance/insurance companies etc. Leave that to other countries, because even if their economies are recovering better and more quickly, following the credit crisis that our financial system caused, it would be 'socialistic' and Un-American to do so. Europe and Asia can do what they like, we don't care.The fact that China had an 8% growth of GDP last year is meaningless and since Wal mart alone buys much of the goods we buy from China, from flowerpots to lawnmowers to packaged biscuits, that's free enterprise and the American way. We should be allowed to continue our high unemployment as long as we wish. The fact that we have some 40 million people without proper health care doesn't matter. Although other countries have done it differently for the last 50 years or so. and their citizens, on average, live longer that in the US. That drug costs are three to five times higher than elsewhere is not true????? Viva America.
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terry wrote: (snip)

Lord love a duck, that ain't what I said, and you know it. There are worthwhile federal programs, and long-haul roads used for interstate commerce and national defense, FDA, ATC, etc, fall in that category. I was complaining about how the local-level programs that depend on 'free' money from Washington, are largely a joke. If a local-level program is worthwhile, it should be financed locally, and Washington should never see that money in the first place.
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Yet I still got sick from tainted peanut butter....

Incorrect. I can own guns whether I'm in a militia or not. The RKBA is not restricted to militia membership;there's NO language in the Second that says (or implies)that.

it's interesting how much that number varies... I suspect that illegal immigrants are included in that figure,also those that -chose- to not buy health insurance.

We DONT CARE how it's done in other countries. The US is NOT those other countries,we deliberately set out to be different from them.It's what makes us better. you want to be like them,MOVE THERE.

sure,they don't have to pay for the development costs that we invest;foreign countries don't develop nearly as many new drugs as the US,they don't fund the research that we fund. And you want to make us more like THEM?? they can't even maintain enough for their own defense.

Just wait; if the healthcare gets passed,there will be MANY new and large gov't bureaucracies established to monitor things;the IRS will have a huge expansion just to insure everybody buys the mandatory HC or gets taxed extra if they don't.(and less freedom for everybody) Healthcare is just the tip of the iceberg of the new United Socialist States of America,the USSA.
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Jim Yanik wrote:

Do a search in US Code on the definition of 'militia'. Unless they changed it in the last couple of years, it includes all able-bodied males of a specified age range.
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That's got nothing to do with the People's RKBA. There's NO language in the Second Amendment that requires militia membership to have the RKBA. The right is "of the People",not "of the militia".
The right exists independent of militia membership.
BTW,US Code is -under- the Constitution.
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the militia is a SUBSET of "the People".
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Crap! When the Russkies invade, you mean I can't shoot any of them because I'm female? What a ripoff. Oh, well, I'm probably too old, as well.
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Nah, the biggest difference is in HOW they are counted. The big figure is usually cited and it is those who were without health insurances at any time (for even a day) during the year. Then the divisions are usually quarterly depending on the point one is trying to make. The smallest figure(s) are generally the chronically uninsured which runs between 6 and 12 months.

Not really. We pay exactly the same percentage of our healthcare costs for drugs as Britain, Canada, and most of the rest of the west. Also, generic drugs are actually higher in Canada than the US. Largely because the other countries regulate the price of the name brand drugs, but not generics. The companies are fined rather heavily in addition to having to disburse the "excess profits".
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On Mar 21, 7:14am, "Stormin Mormon"

Doesn't matter. The hype, regarding invasive questioning that circulated the internet was mostly horse-s**t. The form looks large when you pull it from the information but as Jack Webb used to say it is "Just the facts Ma'm." The reason it looks long is they have repetitive blanks for additional folks in a household.
I was loaded for bear when I saw the envelope. When I opened it it was like "Well, crap, is this it?" Took about two minutes to complete.
Of course Glen Beck will spend fifteen hours telling us about the clandestine reasons for the questions on the longer form that very few among us will receive. In fact he could spend ten hours complaining about the one that says "how many folks live here?"
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Oren wrote:

Yeah, and this is the same federal government that is going to be running health care if we can't stop Nancy and her crowd from sticking it to us...
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