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I'm 58 and not what you call a prime specimen - bad knees and hips and shoulders and ablut 20 extra lbs. I've got an electric assist bike - just a low powered Schwinn . When the office was 8km away it took me 18 minutes to get to the office on the bike, and about 10 by car. Never done it by Grand River Transit, but a good guess would be 45 minutes to an hour with 2 transfers.
Moved the office -3km now but the same amount of hills (hey, Kitchener was called SandHills before it became Berlin, then Kitchener, so you KNOW it's not flat), I can do it in 7 minutes if I hit all the lights, about 4 with the car (the bike trail is a wee tad shorter in distance and 3 less lights) - and THAT is better than a 20 minute bus ride.
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...and who pays for the oil?

Spoken like a true socialist Obamanut.
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On Dec 6, 12:41 am, " snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

obama did a good thing keeping GM in america.
in a total collapse its assets would of been bought by china, and all parts and final assembly would of been moved to china. all those american jobs gone forever.
all that would remain here would of been some large parts warehouses.
GM is paying the money back.
without obama unemployment today would be about 25% just like the great depression.....
is that really what people wanted?
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Agreed. We have so little manufacturing capability left in the US that it was important to hang on to GM. When a manufacturer goes bankrupt, it's far different than when a bunch of paper-pushing bandits like Lehman Brothers goes under. There are tools, factories, people with know-how that will be broken up and that constitutes a serious loss that would be very hard to rebuild. Was GM mismanaged? Of course. Top-heavy, over-managed and ineffecient? Yes, but those are correctable problems. Once you break down the factory lines and disperse the employees, you've lost more than the firesale worth of the components. All the king's horses and all the king's men wouldn't be able to put GM back together again. I hate the fact that shareholders got wiped out, but share the gain, share the pain.

Absolutely. GM was worth saving if only because in WWII they helped saved the free world.

If that.

I saw a great ad on TV for GM showing other "greats" that have stumbled and thanking the American people for helping them get back on their feet. You didn't see the money-grubbing banks thanking anyone. They're the ones that did this to us, and they got to feed at the public trough just as deeply as GM.

Adding GM to the list of dead US companies wouldn't have helped the unemployment rate, that's for sure.
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Robert Green wrote:

Unlikely. They (like many others before them) could and should have reorganized under bankruptcy protection w/o the involvement of the federal government.
As for the WW II, what about Studebaker and others who also built much war materiel and are no longer w/ us? Why weren't they worth saving on the same basis as GM?
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Funny how Obama gets all the credit. It was actually Bush who instituted the $787 bil TARP program and made the first loans in Dec 08 to GM and Chrysler. Why do I get the feeling that had GM gone down the tubes, you'd be reminding us of that part.

Again, it was under Bush that the $787bil TARP program was initiated that provided mostly loans, but also equity investments to wall street, GM, Chrysler. Most of that money has now been paid back and it's estimated by the govt that at most $80bil is still at risk. Meaning that's the most it will cost taxpayers and it in fact could be a profit.
Obama and the Dems on the other hand, pushed through another $800bil+ stimulus that was money that was never to be repaid. Unless you subscribe to the newly created economic statistic of "jobs saved", which of course is any number you want to make it.
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

People _wanted_ the 5% rate under Bush, but would have settled for the 8% the Obama administration predicted.
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Nonsense. It should have gone through bankruptcy court like any other corporation.

More nonsense. Even if so, the other manufacturers would have taken up the slack.

With *taxpayer* money. That is *not* paying anything "back" to anyone.

Clueless.
Totally clueless.
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What other US manufacturers? Chrysler was bankrupt too.
And Ford had been at bankruptcy and managed to restructure right before our economic collapse. The ford family no longer controls the company. they had no resoureces to buy GM..
Its sad so many are so clueless, the stimulus spending prevented a DEPRESSION, with 25% unemployment.
china would of bought GM and moved everything there but some parts warehouses.....
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The LEAF should have a OPTION, a small easy to tow trailer with a gasoline engine.
So if you need to make a long trip just hitch up and go.
No doubt a smart fellow somewhere will produce them. Just a power plant on wheels:)
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Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hundai, Kia,...

As if that means anything.

You are completely clueless.

No make that, stupid as a stump.
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its people like you who will send the US down the toilet. you havent a clue, if theres no manufacturing here, and we send all our wealth overseas to countries who hate us for meddling in their business over oil, wikileaks makes it appear its our countries standard operating procedure:(
our country is well along to self destructuring.
want something special from congress? just buy enough votes
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Wrong again, idiot. It's people like you and your hero Obummer.

Clueless.
You really are clueless.

Yes, and your kind is putting it right in the toilet.

You're a product of public education, right?
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:16:30 -0600, " snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

Clueless
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On 12/7/2010 8:00 PM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

It means Hallerb is stupid as a stump.
Ford certainly does control Ford and is exactly why they did NOT go into bankruptcy and restructure.

See, told you he was.
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go google it ford motors was at or near bankruptcy right before our economy collapsed, they just got financing and had to turn over control, and bam we were in the biggest economic collapse since the great depession......
oh well if you watched 0 minutes you would realize were about to double dip, because state and local governments nationwide are going bankrupt
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that be 60 minutes
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That's a great idea. Then the price of gas will be the same and instead of the oil companies sending a check to the govt marked federal fuel tax, they will be sending a check for the same amount marked federal "insert new name" tax. That's economics 101.

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Yawn... I didn't see anyone here say anything different. OF course you left out the part about how it's on a similar size platform and shares components with cars costing $17K, yet the Volt costs $42K.

If you believe handing out $12K subsidies to build cars that are economically unviable is going to fuel our economic recovery, then maybe we should start paying people to dig holes and fill them back in.
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Yawn... I didn't see anyone here say anything different. OF course you left out the part about how it's on a similar size platform and shares components with cars costing $17K, yet the Volt costs $42K.

If you believe handing out $12K subsidies to build cars that are economically unviable is going to fuel our economic recovery, then maybe we should start paying people to dig holes and fill them back in.
I think that is exactly what this administration has in mind with it's never ending unemployment "insurance"
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