Disabled Nation: Record 10,978,040 collecting disability payments

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The 51'st state (the Disabled state) now ranks as the 8'th largest state of the USA.
How's that recovery go'in eh?
=============== (CNSNews.com) - The total number of people in the United States now receiving federal disability benefits hit a record 10,978,040 in May, up from 10,962,532 million in April, according to newly released data from the Social Security Administration.
The 10,978,040 disability beneficiaries in the United States now exceed the population of all but seven states. For example, there are more Americans collecting disability today than there are people living in Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, New Jersey or Virginia.
The record 10,978,040 total disability beneficiaries in May, included a record 8,877,921 disabled workers (up from 8,865,586 in April), a record 1,939,687 children of disabled workers (up from 1,936,236 in April), and 160,432 spouses of disabled workers.
May was the 196th straight month that the number of American workers collecting federal disability payments increased. The last time the number of Americans collecting disability decreased was in January 1997. That month the number of workers taking disability dropped by 249 people—from 4,385,623 in December 1996 to 4,385,374 in January 1997.
As the overall number of American workers collecting disability has increased, the ratio of full-time workers to disability-collecting workers has decreased.
In December 1968, 1,295,428 American workers collected disability and, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 65,630,000 worked full-time. Thus, there were about 51 full-time workers for each worker collecting disability. In May 2013, with a record 8,877,921 American workers collecting disability and 116,053,000 working full-time, there were only 13 Americans working full-time for each worker on disability.
According to the latest Census Bureau population estimates, if disability were a state in the union it would rank eighth in population, coming in after Ohio but ahead of Georgia.
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Well, that's exactly what you'd expect isn't it? The more govt programs that hand out money, the more people will come. People love freebies. And under Obama, for the first time, the govt is running radio ads encouraging people to apply for food stamps. Under Obama, they are also working with the Mexican govt to distribute info on all the govt welfare programs we have here. But, heh, he's not a socialist, right?
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False premise, more people whose claims are legitimate but which have been denied for years may be entering the system.
The not-far-from-accurate joke around the disabled community is that your first application is always rejected.

Seems unlikely, and sounds more like an assertion formulated on the basis of being impossible to refute.

Sounds implausible, and "distribute info" is imbecilically vague.

Apparently not, unless a person can be made socialist by being called socialist x times. -----
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Yeah, they just all now got approved. They've been bottled up for 40 years, and wooosh, all suddenly just got approved.

You're just not informed:
"Government wants more people on food stamps By Tami Luhby @CNNMoney June 25, 2012: 5:17 AM ET
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/index.htm
"The federal government is running radio ads to boost enrollment in food stamps.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- More than one in seven Americans are on food stamps, but the federal government wants even more people to sign up for the safety net program.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture has been running radio ads for the past four months encouraging those eligible to enroll. The campaign is targeted at the elderly, working poor, the unemployed and Hispanics."
I've heard them myself on WABC 770 NYC

You really need to start paying attention to the news:
"Obama Teams Up With Mexican Government to Push Food Stamps
Kyle Becker | On 19, Jul 2012
A stunning report from the Daily Caller reveals that the Obama administration has signed a deal with the Mexican government to promote the use of food stamps. The U.S. Department of Agriculture program would “promote the use of food stamps among Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals and migrant communities in America,” according to the report.
Who;s the imbecile now?

You just as sure about Obama not being a socialist as you were about the above other two things?
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It doesn't matter if it's right or not, it demonstrates your premise is false.

"President Bush launched a recruitment campaign, which pushed average participation up by 63% during his eight years in office. The USDA began airing paid radio spots in 2004." http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/index.htm
So, "under Obama, for the first time, the govt is running radio ads encouraging people to apply for food stamps." is bullshit.

"“The partnership with the Mexican embassy was established in 2004,” a USDA spokesman wrote The Daily Caller in an email. “USDA does not perform outreach to immigrants that are undocumented, and therefore not eligible for SNAP.” http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/19/usda-partnering-with-mexico-to-boost-food -stamp-participation/#ixzz2UpZxIVLH

Still you, refuted by your own cites.

And I'm just as sure you don't know what "socialist" means. -----
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It demonstrates exactly nothing. YOU are claiming that the fact that the record number of people on disability is due to the fact that claims that have been denied for years suddenly all got approved. That is an extraordinary claim and beside you claiming it, you've demonstrated nothing.

OK, so it started under Bush. It took Bush 8 years to increase the number on food stamps 63%. Obama has increased it 100% in just 4. So, what Bush did, running ads to promote food stamps was bad, what Obama is doing is bad too and the results far worse. I'm OK with that. And I suspect that whatever was done back in 2004 was minimal, because I never heard one of those radio ads. Only recently did they show up on the stations I listen to in the nyc area.

I was 100% right on one and partially right on the second. You denied that radio ads promoting food stamps were even being run:
Trader:

GPS: "Seems unlikely, and sounds more like an assertion formulated on the basis of being impossible to refute. "
Clearly you didn't even know radio ads were being run. And you were even wrong on being impossible to refute, as you proved yourself.

Non response to proof provided of the govt under Obama working with the Mexican govt to get people on public assistance noted.
That the difference. When I get something wrong, I admit it. You libs just ignore it and live in denial.
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June 25, 2012: 5:17 AM ET

Interesting how the article *implies* these radio ads have only been running in the last four months. It's just another example of how "news" can be subtly shaded to imply something that's not really true. This campaign was started under Bush almost ten years ago. Trader tries *so* hard to throw stink on Obama for everything that ever happens anywhere in the world it's actually pretty laughable. Especially when he tries to zing Obama for things it turns out started under Bush or some other Republican president (i.e. the "ObamaPhone" BS - a program started under Reagan).
It's obvious the right wing is in witch hunting mode, looking for anything they can hope to turn into political fodder for the 2014 midterms. Trader and Fox News *still* expect people to care deeply that *four* people were killed Obama was president but ignore the thousands of US soldiers and 100's of thousand of Iraqis that Bush's *direct* policies got killed. Does "bring it on" ring a bell? The right seems to have learned nothing from "Birtherism." No matter how much BS they dredged up or how hard they hollered, Obama won a second term.
The irony is that the harder that guys like Trader and news orgs like Fox push "Benghazigate," the more independents realize the Republicans are not interested in governing - just needle-dicking and witch hunting over *anything* they think they can get some mileage out of. It's funny that the same people who were predicting a single term for Obama have convinced themselves the midterms are going to favor the Republicans. Dream on.
Meanwhile, our enemies look at all our infighting and laugh at us. The 9/11 terrorists began their operation as the House was impeaching Clinton. I wonder what our *serious* enemies are planning for us as they watch the country paralyzed by Republican obstructionism.
<<"President Bush launched a recruitment campaign, which pushed average participation up by 63% during his eight years in office. The USDA began airing paid radio spots in 2004." http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/index.htm

It's a special kind of bullshit: It's Genuine Misguided Trader(tm) "I hate Obama to pieces" BS. It's just like how he tries to grandfather blame for the wars. He told us "they're Obama's wars now" as if any President could or would just pick up and leave our allies stranded. Can you imagine how Trader would have howled if Obama had just sent all the troops home?
Wars belong to the guy who started them, and it was clear from the get-go that Bush *wanted* to invade both countries. Why didn't he leave Iraq when no WMD's were found? That was his mandate - find the WMDs - not to waste trillions creating "Muslim democracies" (as if there IS or could be such a thing). Bush may well be remember as the President who nearly collapsed America and who killed 100's of thousands of people for very little reason or result.

"The partnership with the Mexican embassy was established in 2004, a USDA spokesman wrote The Daily Caller in an email. USDA does not perform outreach to immigrants that are undocumented, and therefore not eligible for SNAP. http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/19/usda-partnering-with-mexico-to-boost-food-stamp-participation/#ixzz2UpZxIVLH

Snap! (-: I always love it when a plan comes together.
The "writer" he cites, Kyle Becker, is quite the partisan hack. He the article below he acknowledges that conservative youth would be just as dumb, and proceeds to savage youthful Obama voters for what he's already admitted is a nationwide problem of both parties (idiocy, as evidenced by many here). Becker, dripping with partisan anger, writes for the "Independent Journal Review" whose only independence is their freedom from good journalism and that the words "Journal" and "Review" are redundant. It always amuses me what Trader considers a real news website or news reporter.
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/11/21851-clueless-obama-youth-know-nothing-about-government/
Trader is what comes of watching too much Fox news and reading too many right wingnut loon sites. So sad.
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I don't know where any ads were run under Bush. I do know that I listen to the radio quite a bit. And I never, ever heard an ad encouraging people to apply for food stamps until last year. The ads I heard were encouraging seniors to apply.
Lady A "Look at Jean, doesn't she look great?
Lady B Yes, Ihear she has a secret.
Lady A Oh, what's that?
Lady B She gets food stamps!.
Lady A Really?, I didn't know you could do that.
Lady B Sure you can. Why you'd be surprised who all is using them
Lady A Oh, you're getting them too?

The point is if it's a dumb program, its dumb regardless of who, what started it.

Yeah, we got the IRS to target conservatives with that in mind. Got Holder to subpoena APP reporters in the most massive secret search ever done. Got Holder to perjure himself about it. Got Obama to allegedly be like Sgt Schultz for two years, only finding out about an IG investigation by seeing it on TV. We got Jay Carney to lie so much, much of the press corp no longer believes him. Even ABC and CBS are spending time on all these scandals now.
We Republicans did it all!

Given how dishonest the WH has now been shown to be, the lengths they will go to, how Jay Carney tells lie after lie with a straight face, maybe the birthers are right too.

For the lack of governing, you need to look at the CEO. He's been in constant campaign mode since day one. Constantly flying all over the country at great cost to a govt going broke, to wage class warfare, to divide rich against poor. But when it comes to governing, well that's another story. But it may be a good idea. So far, his best defense to all the scandals surrounding him is "I'm like Sgt Shultz. IRS targeting conservatives? IG investigating the IRS for the last year? I only learned about that on TV!"
Now that is some governing.
- just needle-dicking and witch hunting over

Remember 2010? You libs suffered the worst ass whooping in 75 years. You lost control of the House. And that was just people pissed off mostly about Obamacare. Good luck in 2014 with all the ever widening scandals. Oh, and about two thirds of people poll say Obamacare sucks too.

Oh yeah, I'm sure that was a big factor in what Bin Laden did. He had been conducting every escalating attacks against the USA for many years.
I

Why don't you go ask the Iranians? They saw Obama talk tough, lay down the law to Syria. He said that if Syria used chemical weapons, it would be a game changer. That it would have serious consequences. He told Assad not to, or else. Now that Assad called his bluff and used chemical weapons, what has Obama done? Backpeddled and done nothing. So, he told Iran the same thing about their nuke programs. So, what do you think the Iranians are thinking about Obama and his tough talk?

ws/economy/food-stamps-ads/index.htm>>

Apparently the ads did begin under Bush. As I said, I never heard them before last year. I say they are a bad and dumb idea. What say you? And which party's philosophy do they best fit in with?

Allies? What allies? Iraq is an ally? Afghanistan? Are you serious? I'd also note that escalating the war in Afghanistan, 4 1/2 years is a long, long way from picking up and leaving. It is in fact Obama's war now. He's the one that lets Karzai abuse the USA, kick sand in our face. Obama takes his shit and sends him millions a year in briefcases full of cash.

The the wars belong to Saddam, Bin LAden and the Taliban
and it was clear from the get-go

Sure he did. He must have asked Bin LAden to send planes to the WTC. He must have had some strange power over Saddam, where Saddam could have avoided the whole war by just allowing the UN weapons inspectors to do their jobf, yet Bush made him do the opposite.
Just more Bush derangement syndrome.
> Why didn't he leave Iraq when

Talk about contradicting yourself in the same post. You just made the case that OBama couldn't cut and run. But now Bush was supposed to do just that? And you libs are supposed to be the compassionate ones? Just leave Iraq in chaos?

You've gone incoherent. Don't know what the hell your point is. Do you deny that the US govt is providing flyers to MExico that encourage people to get on US welfare programs?
"Judicial Watch obtained the Spanish-language flyers through a Freedom of Information Act request and announced on Thursday that the "promotion of the food stamp program, now known as 'SNAP' (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), includes a Spanish- language flyer provided to the Mexican Embassy by the USDA.
A statement on the flyer—emphasized in bold and underlined—reads, “Yo u need not divulge information regarding your immigration status in seeking this benefit for your children.”
Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said of this discovery, the "USDA is actively working with the Mexican government to promote food stamps for illegal aliens." This implication, he asserted, "should have a direct impact on the fate of the immigration bill now being debated in Congress."
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On 5/30/2013 12:02 PM, gpsman wrote:

It's not a joke, been there done that. I didn't want Social Security Disability. All I wanted was some help with medical care but after I was turned away from the county hospital, I became sicker and sicker until I could only work a few days a week. I was turned down too and a lawyer went to bat for me getting me on disability and Medicaid. I supposed it came just in time, I had a massive heart attack the 10th of May and spent 19 days in the hospital. The paramedics saved my life and there is no way I could ever thank them enough for what they did for me. It turns out I had several problems that could have been mitigated if I had received care when I tried to get it but I have the wrong skin color and I'm not a Mexican. I'm just glad to be alive. o_O
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Dufas, what you describe of your experience is what has been going on for decades.........folks who get no medical care until their condition is severe and very, very expensive. What folks don't realize is that they are being "robbed" in many ways by NOT having a single payer system. So we wouldn't get a hip replacement or bypass surgery for six months as opposed to next week? Big damn deal...lose some weight, research alternative treatments and you might find you don't really need it, or may not benefit from it, or might even die from it. Those with true emergencies probably get it done right away. Canada has a great malpractice system.
Last time I went in for a physical, the doc offered to sell me a colonoscopy (I have no risk factors or family history of colon cancer). He didn't even do the "complete physical" he charged Medicare for, nor did he take my history to find out what risk factors I actually have. There is a drug store on every street corner and ads by pharm companies running constantly.....without side effects of over-prescribed drugs or unnecessary surgery, a lot of docs would have to find a second job.
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Socialism has no place in the USA. We're a constitutional republic. . Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . .
What folks don't realize is that they are being "robbed" in many ways by NOT having a single payer system.
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Which doesn't prohibit socialism. Look around you, we have many instances of socialism in the USA. They're easier to find at the local level, but exist at all levels of government and I'm not talking about just the Post Office.
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Of course. Good to see you recognize it. Now will you join in reducing it to the extent possible?
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On 6/4/2013 12:56 PM, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

Christ, there's nothing more retarded than conservatives parroting words they don't understand. These guys never took a poli-sci class in their lives. They don't even know what's in their country's constitution, not that it stops them from pretending to be political pundits.
We had a Tea Party idiot serve one term as mayor in the city I live in. After running up huge city debt and getting caught lying about it, and getting the city embroiled in many lawsuits, she failed to get re-elected. Her subsequent career has involved getting fellow Tea Partiers to retain her as their lawyer and sue the city. For instance, when the city for the first time ever charged street assessments to rebuild the city streets, she got her Tea Party fools to file a lawsuit. When the local paper asked them who should pay for new streets if not the property owners, they said "the government" should pay for them. That's the typical TeaTard IQ. Best part was, they won their suit! - because the court found that the city hadn't followed the law by using the statutory calculation to determine each property owner's assessment. So the city re-calculated and discovered they'd *under-assessed* the TeaTards, who ended up owing more all because they'd sued to get out of paying their fair share.
This country came to be *because* the settlers understood the value and necessity of helping one another. We'd never have made it otherwise. Hell, Christianity preaches it. Nobody got to where they are today without the help and/or financial support of other people, and that includes all of the conservative politicians who, having gotten their financial support to get their education, get jobs, raise families, and end up in politics, now claim to despise that practice and supposedly want to end it. I use the words 'claim' and 'supposedly' because the only difference between a liberal and conservative is that liberals believe everyone is entitled to assistance, conservatives think only _they_ are entitled to it. Case in point: Michele Bachman, whose entire working career has consisted of collecting gov't paychecks. And whose family collects gov't subsidies, and whose husband's business depends on gov't payments.
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On 6/4/2013 1:41 PM, Douglas Johnson wrote:

Conservatism and socialism are the same thing...."the other guy gets money". :o)
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Single payer has nothing to do with the above.

I see, so according to you with a single payer system people will be having to wait for 6 months to get treatment. And I don't know of any credible medical authority that believes weight loss is an alternatve to bypass surgery. Good grief!

More likely you're going to die on the 6 month waiting list.

How comforting. If you have a true emergency, which obviously doesn't include bypasses, you "probably" get treated right away. What happens to the other 20, 40%?
>Canada has a great

So, what's supposed to be wrong with that?

If you're doctor doesn't know your history, your risk factors, then it's time to find another doctor.

Most of those doctors are part of Medicare, your own, which you obviously don't like, included. Medicare is a single payer system. So, what exactly is your point again?
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You imbecile. Look at the numbers. The disabilities from Iraq and Afhanistan are a nit in the overall numbers. As usual, it's all *enotion* and blaming Bush, with out regard to the facts.
What would you libs do? Send a cake to Bin Laden and the taliban

The military is not socialist. It's a volunteer military. No one is being forced to do anything. What a lying asshole.
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On Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:04:25 PM UTC-5, snipped-for-privacy@optonline.net wrote:

He wouldn't eat much would he?
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Here in Canada, in order to qualify for a government disability pension, you have to have a disability that seriously impairs your physical or mental health.
My building is a "two and a half story walk-up", meaning it's got three levels but the basement is sunk half way into the ground, making it a "2 1/2 story" building, and there's no elevator, so it's a "walk up".
I regularily get people applying for rent on the top floor that give their source of income as "disability".
Now, if a person can fill in an application for rent form, correctly identifying their previous two addresses and the respective landlords at those two locations, then they can think well enough not to be considered mentally disabled, and if they can climb 4 flights of 7 steps each to get to the top floor of my building, they're not seriously physically disabled either. Or, at least one would expect a physically disabled person wouldn't be interested in renting an apartment on the top floor of a building with no elevator.
I'm wondering whether I should contact their case workers to inform them that this recipient is applying to rent an apartment where they'd have to climb 28 steps every time they go to their apartment and see if that perks the case worker's attention. (?) I'm thinking that if a person was seriously disabled, they wouldn't be interested in an apartment like that.
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Same here in the USA. IT's just that today almost anything can qualify, if you know how to work the system. I saw some guy in his 20s on The People Court TV show last year. During his case, it came up that he was on SSI. His disability? Attention Deficit Disorder..... Like there is no job that he could do? He was obviously capable of presenting his case in court, so how disabled could he be?

Yep.

With the govt bureaucracy, it's unlikely to do any good. There are plenty of stories of people reporting far worse and nothing happens. A classic was elderly people on 60 Minutes, telling how they have been receiving copies of fraudulent bills that had been submitted to Medicare for wheelchairs, beds, treatments..... none of which they had ever received. Despite their reporting it all to Medicare, the bills just keep coming. Florida is the hotbed of that now. Criminals that used to deal drugs figured out this is just as productive, if not more so and if they catch you the sentence is a fraction of what you would get for drug crimes.
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