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On 10/27/2014 4:01 AM, Danny D. wrote:

Aye, Cap'n. I've had good results with ibuprofen, or Aleve. Generic Naproxyn from BJ's wholesale club was useless. Name brand Aleve is good. Different brand of ibu work, or don't work. The brand I liked, they stopped selling.
I've had a bad back since my teen year, back in the mezozoic era, before the paleolithic era, and the formation of sedimentary rock (the Noah flood thing).
I used up all the Aleve on the ark, and Noah had to stop by a pharmacy and buy more, while we were out.
As a religious believer, I do believe there are blessings of some kind for your service to your fellow man, woman, and in California some who aren't easily discerned which, if either, are they.
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wrote:

Have you consulted a Chiropracter(sp?)?
A good one may alleviate some of the chronic and start strengthening back to 'original' But comfort is the key.
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On 10/27/2014 7:42 AM, RobertMacy wrote:

Have not. So far, I'm able to self medicate. Many people have told me kind things about chiro, there is much benefit there. Sadly, I'm in PRNY, and have less than no money.
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wrote:

Because they are so negated by traditional medicine their rates are still decent.
I've gone twice, both super successful solutions: 1. 8 years old dropped on my head like a pile driver. Hurt! constant pinching. Parents took me and crunch pop all pain gone and total mobility returned. 2. In high school, I had my arm raised for some question, then stupidly tried to peer around my raised arm to look at something. Felt the slide/shift/pain! Constant pain, couldn't move head, walked with stiff neck. Most irritating was this was last day of class and I was looking forward to being a troublemaker ;) Went to doc, slip/crunch/pop. Total mobility returned pain still there, like pulled muscle but went away next day.
One of my colleagues in electronics had such severe back problems he was scheduled for surgery on a Monday to fuse the troublesome area. With surgery looiming and many of his friends saying "What have you got to lose?" he went to a chiro on a Friday. During tht same weekend he went from bedridden pain to playing his favorite pastime [but had not been able to do for years], basketball! Of course canceled the surgery.
Then there's my brother, who I thought was raised with me but has no memory of my experienes. Had traditional family arthritis and extreme lower back pain. His normal Medical Practitioner prescribed painkillers, which he had been taking for ?? years. Always cranky and uncomfortable. That's no way to live. So, as expected, started to get worse, Doc changed pills to 'more powerful' and was ok, but kept degrading. Then during one weekend, really started to hurt, so he called his doc to be told, simply double your dose. He thought, Say what?!
Come on. If you don't change the treatment the outcome will remain the same. So he finally acquiesced to go to a chiro, with great reluctance thinking he was visiting a charlatan. After the experience he said once you got through the hype, there are some good prinicples in there. The chiro said so much time had gone by with weak muscles that after each visit, the body would slip back so come in every two weeks and we'll keep you in place. As a reault: his back pain disappeared! additionally his lifelong battle with hypoglycemia ended. Boy, was he sold.
He was so sold, he had his sons go. They did NOT want to go, but went thinking what is 'crazy' dad up to now? but went for monthly 'adjustments'
After three months, the high school football coach stopped by to ask my brother what training he had put his sons on, because they were hitting harder and running measurably faster. This is Texas football too. I don't know if my brother told him or not.
Anyway, there you have anecdotal evidence which according to the AMA has NO value.
The 'fear' story is how a chiro cripples someone. Don't worry, normal medical doctors can do that too. They did that to my father, ground off his nerves rendering him a paraplegic and ultimately die.
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On 10/27/2014 9:09 AM, RobertMacy wrote:

Thanks for sharing. I've heard of a few times when western med managed to kill some one. At present, it's not bad enough to go pay someone. Perhaps when things get worse.
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wrote:

you are welcome. FWIW earlier, other doctors' actions had also killed my father's father [my grandfather]
More recently, over the span of 2 years, 8 very close relatives of my wife were taken out, including her father.
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On 10/27/2014 9:26 AM, RobertMacy wrote:

At the risk of starting some thing, did the deceased have any thing in common like being elderly, chronic, or Republican?
Common cause of death?
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wrote:

Naw, I'll drop it now, but do consider chiro path. If you have any chiro's in your church, they might help without the need for laying out huge sums of money.
no correlation between deaths. all different.
The most tragic [to me] was their taking out an outstanding, upright citizen. He had TWO sons graduate from the Air Force Academy! While in being treated for 'nuisance' ailment contracted one of those 'nontreatable' hospital staph infections. Matured into appearing elsewhere as a hole in his back [rather large hole] that never would heal. Took about two years, but finally killed him after attacking various organs. Just a needless death.
[between you and me, I'm sure we agree there are some 'needful' deaths ;)]
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:17:41 -0400, Stormin Mormon

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I don't have real miracle stories of chiropractors, but when I get some stiffness and or pain in the back I do go for a few sessions. They almost always help. It is covered by my insurance, but I have pretty good insurance. We don't get paid too much but we have good benefits, unfortunately a pension isn't one of them.
Mostly I get upper back issues. Ever since I started doing lots of exercise - particularly abdomen, I don't get lower back issues. Apparently if you keep the abs strong, it supports the lower back. But all I have to do is sleep wrong or just move wrong and I can pull something out of whack in the upper back.
I don't think very highly of folks who say that we're the product of intelligent design since the back is a pretty bad design for upright beings. Not bad for beings that walk on all fours.
Folks here know a lot about buliding things, I think they could improve on the design. Seriously, why have respiratory secretions have to go UP.
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Seriously, for lower back issues I really think that getting the abs stronger is the way to go. The back is so complicated that no "one size fits all" statement is possible, but I was told that working on the abs will support the lower back, and it does seem to be true, at least for me.
My insurance actually pays back $200 if you go to the gym 50 times in 6 months, and I do that easily. We have one nearby my job and I often go for a 30 or 45 minute class at lunch time. Those classes are NOT designed for 60+ year old farts like me, but I do my best to keep up with the 20 yo women who mostly hit the classes. The guys tend to use the machines instead, but I don't have that dedication. I need the routine of working out in a group. Besides, the young ladies like the comic relief that I provide.
But I do some things slower, or use lighter weights, or skip a few reps. I just refer to that as my senior discount.
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Todd;3293733 Wrote: >

Todd:
I will concede that what you say makes sense. Outlawing hand guns will predominantly prevent law abiding and responsible gun owners from acquiring hand guns. That's because these are the people that want to stay on the right side of the law and will abide by the law, even though they may not agree with it. But, those same laws will have little effect on those that get their guns illegally anyway. You'd have to work for the government not to see the logic there.
My feeling is that for all of the citizens in the USA that have handguns, an extremely small percentage of them are ever used. Here in Canada, I've watched TV shows where retired police officers admit that they can count on the fingers of one hand how many times during their long careers that they actually pulled their service revolver out of it's holster, and fewer still the number of times they actually fired a shot at someone.
If the police that deal with the criminal element in our society rarely use their hand guns, how much more rare is it for John Q. Public to need to pull his concealed weapon out? I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of people with concealed weapons permits in the USA have never had to even reach for their gun.
And, therein lies a danger. If the average person rarely, if ever, needs to actually have a gun available to them, then the fact that there is a gun available to them creates a liability. If they hear someone downstairs late at night, they may reach for their weapon only to find out that their teenage daughter stayed out too late and didn't get home until very late. Or they may take their gun with them when answering their doorbell late at night only to find it's a lost traveller asking for directions. My point is that if the average person rarely, if ever, needs to have a gun around, then having a gun available to them 24/7 increases the liklihood of people being shot by mistake.
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On 10/08/2014 08:38 PM, nestork wrote:

Hi Netstork,
Maybe you should disarm the police, like they do in England.

You make a good case. Problem is that you are not looking at the statistics of lives saved versus lives lost (accidents) to legal gun ownership. It is about 20 to 1. And by the way, most of those lives saved, no shots were actually fired, just like the police you mentioned.
And I have pulled my weapon in self defense several times. So, it depends on what you call "rarely". Never fired a shot though, so no bad guy(s) had to learn the joys of being ventilated with an 850 foot per second wad cutter the size of one of his fingers.
It changes the way you think about guns in about 1 nanosecond. And yes, in that nanosecond, I found that I am more than capable of taking some ass hole's life to protect my loved ones/friends/the innocent/myself.
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Yes, and we have a local farmer's market and farm stands with excellent produce. I don't eat watermelon in January so I avoid most of the imported stuff with no flavor.
I also get my citrus right from Florida and the difference is incredible. The oranges drip all over as you peel them and they are shipped right off the vine. www.floriadaorangeshop.com I have two orders placed for the season.
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On 10/09/2014 02:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Hi Ed,
I have read that some paleos/primals will blanch locally produced produce for the winter. I am trying it this year with my zukes.
I remember buying oranges directly from the grower when I was a kid. I remember what you describe!
-T
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On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:19:43 -0400, "Ralph Mowery"

Do you have a yard and garden or grass? if not, get a couple of plastic 5 gallon pails and grow your own.
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I planted 10 tomato plants (that is all I plant) this year and just got a few the squirrels got most of them. For some reason they left the two cherry tomato plants alone.
Put out a trap and neighbor did also. We got rid of over a dozen of those tomato eaters. I live in the country with about 3 acers and half of that is woods and the neighbor next to me has several acers also, some in woods. Set my 22 rifle and shotgun beside the basement door (walkout basement) and have declaired war on the tomaote eaters. I have not hunted or killed any animals in years,but am going to start on those bushey tailed rats.
I have a 5 year old grandson that loves the cherry tomatoes. He will eat them like candy and polish off over a dozen in one sitting if you let him.
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On 10/9/2014 1:28 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

Bout twenty years ago, a friend of my Dad (military vet, and good person) got tired of the squirrel. He shot it with a rifle. Next day, same again. He gave up after 300 squirrels. Might want to buy your grand son a pump up air rifle, and put him on duty.
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Grandson lives too far away for that and he needs a couple of more years before he will be big enough to hold up a long gun.
I am a member of a gun club and just like to shoot. The more targets , the better for me.
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On 10/9/2014 2:00 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In that case, it works out nicely. Well, not as nice for the squirrels. But, that's OK.
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Per Stormin Mormon:

World's Largest Squirrel Shot and Killed: http://tinyurl.com/lormpw3
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