I didn't post anything that is not so. Maybe instead of hit and run
complaints you could learn to put your "correction" after what you
think is a mistake, so other readers could see what you think is
wrong. Instead of at the end, where no one knows what you're
"Hibernation is "OFF". The ONLY things that won't work if you remove
power are things like wake-on-LAN and such. Literally everything you
working on goes to the hard drive. Once it's written to the drive,
no need to power it. THAT is why it was orginally intended for laptops
Instead of guessing and posting misinformation, why not go research
first, so you have a good post and increase your credbility?
Well T-Wayne, as I have said, if want to power-off...and you are in
the habit of doing so, and you have been doing so without
consequence...by all means. I don't and MS doesn't say to either.
Am I a credible source? Some think I am...most...probably not.
If it will "wake on lan", it is ON. At the very least the power supply
is on and any circuitry to monitor the lan is on.
But all that is true after Win-key / Turn Off Computer / Turn Off,
also, isn't it? And that's known as Off.
The harddrives aren't spinning, the fans aren't spinning, the output
to the monitor and speakers is gone, if there's anything in RAM it
might be the "melted" residue of what was there when the computer was
Isn't the need for wake-on-lan etc/ the reason they eliminated the
mechanical on/off switch on computers and went to a momementary
contact switch that controls a circuit which turns everything off,
except the little things we've listed, plus a little circuit to turn
it back on again.
The only thing different about Hibernate from Turn Off is that before
turning off, Hibernate copies the RAM to a file and sets a flag so the
OS copies that file back to RAM during startup. IOW everything is the
same except for the contents on the harddrive of one big file and
probably one short file.
If one considers Hibernate to be On, then Turned Off is also On and
what is Off?
When the PC is turned off, power to the CPU and RAM are gone and
so is any contents.
Not sure if that's the only reason for seperating the on/off button
directly operating the line switch, but it's one obvious reason.
Another is that when you push the power button to turn it off, it
the system time to perform a very quick but orderly shutdown that is
safer in terms of corrupting things than the instant power
Off is when the hard wired switch on the P/S is off and/or the power
cord is unplugged. Remember that this whole thread subject is about
surge protection, just like your TV with a remote control, the pc is on
unless it's unplugged. By the way, you don't leave the "wake on lan"
option turned on do you? If you do it will allow someone to hack into
your computer when it's "turned off" as you described above. (that is
if the modem and/or router are turned on also and you have a connection
to the internet.)
So that probably means none of the tvs in your house are ever off
except when you're moving furniture. Or any of the devices with a
power transformer and a switch in the secondary circuit, which is most
radios and lots of other stuff. I don't think many people use the
word that way. If you want to say the computers etc. are on standby,
I'd go for that, but not On.
OTOH, they're not really on standy unless one of the Wake functions is
enabled and connected, and none of them are in my case. So what else
is mine standing by for? For me to push the on/off button. By that
token, the iron is standing by for me to move the temp lever from Off
to Cotton. And the oven is standing by for me to turn the knob to
oven. Hmmmm, depending on the orders given to it by the
manufacturers, maybe even the stuff that hasn't been sold yet, is
standing by in the stores for me to buy it, connect it, and turn it
I paid attention to this and I don't know about other computers but
mine requires a jumper wire from the LAN card to the Wake-on-LAN
connector on the mobo to be able to wake it via the LAN. No jumper's
Actually, my next mobo has LAN built in, so thanks for the reminder.
I'll make sure that wake-on-lan is disabled.
Although if went out of town for a long time, would turning it on
temporarily it enable me to turn the computer on and download my
email**? Or even do other things with software installed on it that's
not installed on the netbook I'll be borrowing? For example, if I
forgot a password that was in my home computer, and I had Remote
Assistance enabled, and I had the password with me, would that let me
start the computer with wake on lan, then run the computer, and get
the password. ETc. etc. ??
**I want it all on my home computer, and the part I get while
traveling also on the netbook.
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:05:53 -0700 (PDT), Bob Villa
No. I can't stand webmail. It's only for when nothing else is
possible, like a libary computer or when at someone's home. My last
long trip 4 years ago, I bought a laptop and put Eudora on it, but
didnt' delete any email from the server, so they could still be dl'd
at home. At that time, even though I put some Yahoo lists on hold,
it looked like I would run out of space on the server before I got
home, so I had a friend go to my house midway on my trip and dl my
They made my server mailbox much bigger about that time, but I still
pursue goals that maybe aren't important anymore. And
wake-on-lan/remote access would have many capabilities if I could do
it, not just email.
outlook on my home computer gets the mail it leaves it on the server
for 10 days - and I do the same on my notebook when travelling.
I can also get my email from web-mail at any internet cafe, library,
or other computer anywhere in the world.
It does not "synchronize" the emails - if I remove it on one machine
it is still on the other, and if I answer an email on one machine,
the other does not know about it.
On the office system we are setting up exchange to allow outlook web
access - which allows you to log onto the exchange server from
anywhere in the world, from computer or smart-phone , just like you
were on your workstation in the office.
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 21:18:29 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
That was a problem after the last trip. Some emails had, or might
have had, important information that was in no incoming email.**
This trip, I'll be sending to myself a copy of everything I send out.
**In fact, I don't think I would have lost much, but I lost less by
backing up the laptop's harddrive when I got home, so I have
everything. And a good thing, becuase 30 months later, after not
using the computer for 27 months, I practically watched as the files
disappeared and then the directories.
The computer worked fine 27 months earlier, and I ddin't drop it or
anything during the intervening time.
Rou misread me, or I misread you. It is only the REMOVING of the mail
on one that the other does not know about.
You can set the length of time the mail remains o the server from one
or two days to forever
On 3/13/2011 9:18 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Yes, my sister works out of her home most of the time and logs on to the
server at work. I can send her private email on that line but it will
not allow any download from anywhere other than the server. She can
surf the web, but all file downloads, updates, windows updates, virus
updates... everything has to come through the server at work.
Oh yeah, that's what L stands for. So what was Tony talking about
people hacking my computer through LAN. The only one using my LAN at
home is me, at both ends!
People who share the same office? They can just come over and turn
the computer on when the person isn't there, and if a password is
required, they'll be stuck by LAN or by sea (in person).
My current one has that. I'll have to check my next one. Dang, it's a
Dell, got it free from a friend and doesn't have much documentation.
No reference to wake or LAN in the manual, and TAD connector is shown
on the sketch of the mobo but there is no reference to it. I knew
there woudl be a price for having a Dell instead of the fancy mobos a
another friend used to give me, including the one I'm using now, and
this is the start of it.
(If my trip were on schedule, I'd be still using this one, but it's
not on schedule.)
"Local" doesn't always mean what it sounds like. I don't know about
your setup but my internet and millions of others go *through* the LAN.
Click on settings, network connections and you should see a path going
to your internet service.
Again, look at the subject!!!! I am saying if it is not unplugged or
turned of with a 120vac switch, then part of the circuitry is on and
more subject to spikes/surges then if it is turned off completely. Call
it standby if you wish, I don't care, but do so recognizing that it is
more subject to spikes/surges than if it were off completely. Can we
agree on this?
And yes about the TV on standby, *when talking about surges/spikes* that
is why some people unplug them during a lighting storm instead of just
turning them "off".
As far as the oven being on standby, *when talking about surges/spikes*
I'd say it is indeed on standby it is if it is controlled electronically
and has no mechanical switch to turn it off.
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